4K restoration on Star Wars — Page 36

Trust me, Star Trek fans are. All the time.

It's mind boggling to think there are adults who are just not capable of looking at a forty year old movie in the context of its time, that's just embarrassing.

Harmy said:

Not really - you have that mixed up with matte boxes - those shouldn't be visible under ideal conditions but the matte-lines were always there (not in all shots - depending on how successful the compositing was).

Look how completely different this digitally recomposited shot looks for example:

And yes, the new composite does look better/more realistic, but so do the new digital matte-paintings and some people might argue, that CGI Dewbacks look better than immobile rubber figurines, so where does one draw the line? The above shot shows quite clearly, that re-compositing a shot digitally is definitely altering the original shot in a major way.

 Is the bottom shot from the official blu-ray?

Baronlando said:

It's mind boggling to think there are adults who are just not capable of looking at a forty year old movie in the context of its time, that's just embarrassing.

 Well I agree.

But keep in mind, to the vast majority of the general public it's mind boggling that some grown adults care so much about a few changes to a 40 year old movie. For most people, the SE's are just fine (unfortunately).

Nick66 said:

Fang Zei said:

The same goes for matte lines, which they would not be cleaning up if we're talking a strict restoration here. That was a technological limitation of the time. It's not about making "the vast majority of fans" happy, it's about preserving the films as they were originally presented. 

 I hear you about the matte lines, but assuming they do a complete restoration, the original film will be "preserved" no matter what.  The issue here is making the original versions of the films suitable for home video release. I do think there has to be a balance between what the die hard fans want (and for the record, I'm fine with the matte lines) and what people who just want to watch the film in HD in its original version at home...but with premium home video presentation.  Like with the crawl, I think if we'd just had an HD of the OUT all along but with the matte lines removed, 99% of us would be OK with that.

Again, I'm not necessarily disagreeing with anyone who wants them to just leave well enough alone, but I also understand that Disney might have other considerations when putting this out on home video, and it is a bit of a balancing act.

What is there to gain from removing the matte lines? Nobody complained about them before 97, and if they did, there's always the SE for them to watch.

Nick66 said:

Trust me, Star Trek fans are. All the time.

Give me one example of a Star Trek fan complaining about a Star Trek movie having matte lines.

darklordoftech said:

Nick66 said:

Trust me, Star Trek fans are. All the time.

Give me one example of a Star Trek fan complaining about a Star Trek movie having matte lines.

I don't think they moan about matte lines, but they are certainly crying out for the extended versions of the Trek films to be released on blu-ray.

darklordoftech said:

Nick66 said:

Trust me, Star Trek fans are. All the time.

Give me one example of a Star Trek fan complaining about a Star Trek movie having matte lines.

 I'm referring to fans clamouring for special editions of the Blu-Rays.

darklordoftech said:

What is there to gain from removing the matte lines? Nobody complained about them before 97, and if they did, there's always the SE for them to watch.

That's apples & oranges. You can't compare the home video market pre-97 to now. People's expectations with regards to home video presentations are much higher.

Not quite sure what you're so angry about? Merely said I wouldn't lose any sleep over them cleaning up the matte lines/boxes.

Nick66 said:  That's apples & oranges. You can't compare the home video market pre-97 to now. People's expectations with regards to home video presentations are much higher.

I doubt that people's expectations include the absence of matte lines/boxes. Matte lines/boxes are part of the movie itself, not part of the home video presentation.

Nick66 said: Not quite sure what you're so angry about? Merely said I wouldn't lose any sleep over them cleaning up the matte lines/boxes.

You say that you wouldn't loose sleep over the matte lines'/boxes' absence, but it sure seems like you would loose sleep over their presence.

darklordoftech said:

You say that you wouldn't loose sleep over the matte lines'/boxes' absence, but it sure seems like you would loose sleep over their presence.

Actually, I said I'd be fine either way. Though all things being equal I'd prefer they stay in with as few changes as possible. Same with the crawl.  But I won't freak out if it's otherwise.

You're funny.

Nick66 said:

darklordoftech said:

You say that you wouldn't loose sleep over the matte lines'/boxes' absence, but it sure seems like you would loose sleep over their presence.

Actually, I said I'd be fine either way. Same with the crawl.

I guess I misinterpreted you. My bad.

darklordoftech said:

Nick66 said:

darklordoftech said:

You say that you wouldn't loose sleep over the matte lines'/boxes' absence, but it sure seems like you would loose sleep over their presence.

Actually, I said I'd be fine either way. Same with the crawl.

my bad

 Mate I'm your ally. Details aside, all want the same thing.

Its actually really going to bug me if its the '81 crawl

The weird thing is it seems like a lot of the same people saying how unreasonable we are and how hard it would be to present an original version also expect some new perfect final cut version with only "the good changes". As if expecting Lucasfilm/disney execs and staff editors to create a new version of Star Wars without George Lucas, is more reasonable to expect than branching 2 crawls and including a mono mix.

Harmy said:

Yeah, that's my biggest concern as well.

I'll be happy if the colors are reasonable and the sunset close-up has a red sky.

DVNR is the enemy of all that is good in this world.

Harmy said:

darklordoftech said:

Harmy said:

Yeah, that's my biggest concern as well.

I'll be happy if the colors are reasonable and the sunset close-up has a red sky.

 So, are you saying that if the film is DVNRed to shit, you won't mind as long as the colors are reasonable and the sunset close-up has a red sky?

If the colors are bad, we can fix that, quite easily, probably even just with a script that everyone can apply themselves, so as not to infringe copyright unnecessarily. But if the detail is scrubbed by DVNR, there's no getting it back.

Although, I must say that the excessive DVNR in Disney catalog releases seems to be mostly limited to animated films - Mary Poppins for example looks great on BD.

I guess years of color problems and not-red sunsets have worn me down.