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Other than Jar Jar and midichlorians, what don't you want in episode 7? — Page 5

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Don't half-ass the roles of R2D2 and C3PO. Keep them true to themselves.

This means: no giving them stuff to do for the sake of giving them stuff to do, and no scenes with only those two that don't move the plot along or do *something* to develop their characters.

And if nothing comes to you, don't shoehorn it. So: no crazy stunts for R2 other than hacking computer systems and doing awesome ship maintenance. No killer C3PO or anything other than making him annoyingly prissy and a sometimes-useful translator. 

Don't screw up your villains, and try to make them as novel and unpredictable as possible.

This means: no maniacal, single-minded Eric Banas or freakish but shallow Cumberbatches (...or Montalbans, for that matter). No master manipulators a la Palpatine and no lovesick but powerful shmucks, avaricious useful idiots, or disposable sidekicks for them to target or recruit. No extragalactic villains unless they are anatomically the same (in other words, not 'outside' of the Force like the Yuuzhan Vong).

No Galactic Senate or boring, pointless, or nonsensical politics in general. If there is politics in the film, the issues being hashed out should be real and central to the plot and not contrived bullshit. For example, no squabbles over Jedi jurisdiction or any shit like that.

No Naboo, no Wookiees except Chewie, no ewoks, no Yoda-race, no Gungans. 

No cameos by any prequel trilogy character - especially not Anakin. Maybe I'll allow Yoda, but only in a voiceover flashback-type thing, and not onscreen. No Obi-Wan or Qui-Gon giving Luke advice though.

No Coruscant BS action nonsense a la AOTC. This is right up Abrams' alley and I'm scared for this. In fact, no Jedi action nonsense in general. Again, I have very little hope for this.

No podracing.

No 'new Han Solo', 'new Luke', 'new Leia' or anything like that. If the characters are to be phased out or killed (which I'm not automatically against), don't just lazily try to force them into younger bodies. In other words, make sure the new guys all have their own voices and don't necessarily have the exact same roles as those they're replacing.

No time travel.

There's more, I'm sure, but that's just off the top of my head.

“I find your lack of faith disturbing.”

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No Hutts. 

No Fetts.

No Emperor reborn or Palpatine survived crap.

And I'm sure there's more low-hanging fruit like that that people must have said already by now.

“I find your lack of faith disturbing.”

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I maybe in the minority but I thought DE Palps was a beast

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thorr said:

I don't want predictability.  One of the great things about Star Wars was not knowing what would happen next or where it would be.

I don't care one bit about unpredictability since it is a very temporary and short-living quality. Especially I don't want unpredictability at expense of more permanent of qualities storyline. Basically unpredictability loses all its value after the first view.

And the main beauty of the original trilogy was that people were able to view it hundred of times and still enjoyed it.

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moviefreakedmind said: so many people seem to think that Star Wars is about Sith vs. Jedi.

If anything, Star Wars is about Rebels vs. Empire. Just read the opening crawls of the OOT.

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and I'll never get the hypocrites who think that the Empire returning is worse than the Sith returning.

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darklordoftech said:

and I'll never get the hypocrites who think that the Empire returning is worse than the Sith returning.

Well Empire returning is just as bad as Sith returning. However I wouldn't mind some remnants of the Empire surviving. Still the best potential for that scenario would be time set within 10 years after ROTJ.

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imperialscum said:

darklordoftech said:

and I'll never get the hypocrites who think that the Empire returning is worse than the Sith returning.

Well Empire returning is just as bad as Sith returning. 

I understand thinking that it's just as bad. What I don't understand is thinking that it's worse.

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darklordoftech said:

imperialscum said:

darklordoftech said:

and I'll never get the hypocrites who think that the Empire returning is worse than the Sith returning.

Well Empire returning is just as bad as Sith returning. 

I understand thinking that it's just as bad. What I don't understand is thinking that it's worse.

 Sith returning I can see as being possible. There would always be a few willing to dabble in the Dark Side of the Force. The new practitioners should not be able to get very far. At least I'd hope not to see a repeat of the prequels.

The Empire coming back is far less plausible since the entire foundation and a large portion of the Imperial navy were taken down decades ago. That the Empire could survive that long with such a defeat seems very unlikely.

As big as the Empire is claimed to be it only ever had one fully constructed mobile Death Star. Which apparently took twenty years to create. So it seemed to me that it wasn't infinite in its reach or power. A handful of rebels took out a good chunk of it and all of the leadership.  Any remaining battles should have been relative cakewalks.

Planets still sympathetic to the defunct Empire? Sure. I can see that happening. An actual Empire with a standing Stormtrooper army? No.

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pablumatic said: Sith returning I can see as being possible. There would always be a few willing to dabble in the Dark Side of the Force.

If it's that easy to become a Sith, wouldn't it be just as easy to become an Imperial? 

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darklordoftech said:

pablumatic said: Sith returning I can see as being possible. There would always be a few willing to dabble in the Dark Side of the Force.

If it's that easy to become a Sith, wouldn't it be just as easy to become an Imperial? 

If the Empire was supposed to be Space Nazis then their equivalent to a defunct Empire would be Space Neo Nazis/Space Skinheads.

Angry, militant cranks that don't have any power to create armies or wars.

The planet that all the evil British guys came from would be full of them. I figure whatever new Republic that sprang up after Return of the Jedi would keep that planet heavily sanctioned to avoid a repeat.

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I really hope we don't get Luke Skywalker falling to the dark-side or some nonsense like that.

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pablumatic said:

darklordoftech said:

pablumatic said: Sith returning I can see as being possible. There would always be a few willing to dabble in the Dark Side of the Force.

If it's that easy to become a Sith, wouldn't it be just as easy to become an Imperial? 

If the Empire was supposed to be Space Nazis then their equivalent to a defunct Empire would be Space Neo Nazis/Space Skinheads.

Angry, militant cranks that don't have any power to create armies or wars.

The planet that all the evil British guys came from would be full of them. I figure whatever new Republic that sprang up after Return of the Jedi would keep that planet heavily sanctioned to avoid a repeat.

When you said about Neo Sith "the new practitioners shouldn't be able to get very far", were you saying the same thing about Neo Sith that you're saying here about Neo Imperials?

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The Merchant said:

I really hope we don't get Luke Skywalker falling to the dark-side or some nonsense like that.

I agree with you on this. The whole point of Luke is that he refuses to fall.

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Luke going dark has been done twice already. ;)

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SilverWook said:

Luke going dark has been done twice already. ;)

Twice? I know of one time in the EU, and I was enraged by it.

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darklordoftech said:

pablumatic said:

darklordoftech said:

pablumatic said: Sith returning I can see as being possible. There would always be a few willing to dabble in the Dark Side of the Force.

If it's that easy to become a Sith, wouldn't it be just as easy to become an Imperial? 

If the Empire was supposed to be Space Nazis then their equivalent to a defunct Empire would be Space Neo Nazis/Space Skinheads.

Angry, militant cranks that don't have any power to create armies or wars.

The planet that all the evil British guys came from would be full of them. I figure whatever new Republic that sprang up after Return of the Jedi would keep that planet heavily sanctioned to avoid a repeat.

Why would Space Neo Sith be any different?

One kid who was a newbie to the Force took down a Death Star.

A few Dark Side practitioners took down a galactic Republic.

Users of the Force are essentially super beings capable of feats of power many times greater of those who don't use it. A couple of Sith would be dangerous in any situation. Same with Jedi.

You also can't sanction individuals. At most you could try to weed them out, but if you're practicing black magic in secret you're not going to be discovered all that easily.

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pablumatic said: You also can't sanction individuals.

Meaning that if an individual decides to become a Neo Imperial, that individual can't be sanctioned.

Also, what happens if a group of Force users decide to become Neo Imperials?

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I'm undecisive whether I want an ancient Sith Lord as a force ghost to be the antagonist TBH. For some reason I have a gut feeling that Darth Bane is going to play some role in the sequel trilogy.

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The Merchant said:

I'm undecisive whether I want an ancient Sith Lord as a force ghost to be the antagonist TBH. For some reason I have a gut feeling that Darth Bane is going to play some role in the sequel trilogy.

I'd rather Darth Bane than Darth Plagueis.

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darklordoftech said:

When you said about Neo Sith "the new practitioners shouldn't be able to get very far", were you saying the same thing about Neo Sith that you're saying here about Neo Imperials?

I'd rather just not see a repeat of the prequels with a couple Sith taking down the stupid good guys. We've already seen its possible with just a few Sith working in secret.

A few Neo Imperials could at most cause some disturbances, but without super powers their efforts would be impotent.

 

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pablumatic said: A few Neo Imperials could at most cause some disturbances, but without super powers their efforts would be impotent.

What if a bunch of Force users decide to become Neo Imperials?

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darklordoftech said:

pablumatic said: A few Neo Imperials could at most cause some disturbances, but without super powers their efforts would be impotent.

What if a bunch of Force users decide to become Neo Imperials?

 Then you're talking about a repeat of the prequels and who would want to see that?

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pablumatic said:

darklordoftech said:

pablumatic said: A few Neo Imperials could at most cause some disturbances, but without super powers their efforts would be impotent.

What if a bunch of Force users decide to become Neo Imperials?

 Then you're talking about a repeat of the prequels and who would want to see that?

The prequels don't involve Force users becoming Imperials. Wouldn't Force users becoming Neo Sith be more of a prequel repeat?

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Also, I don't want Neo anything. If there has to be Sith, I'd rather they be connected to the Sith of I-VI.