Info Wanted: This question might be a bit weird but i am looking for the real originals ( low quality )

The 2004/2011 special editions are infamous for their horrible colors and missing audio cues. Then again, the GOUT has bad DVNR.

First of all, what do you mean by "real"?

If by real you mean official, then yes, the GOUT is the best way to go (specifically NTSC GOUT for ANH and ESB; and PAL GOUT for ROTJ, unless your dvd player can only handle one format) for video quality. The definitive edition laserdiscs, despite the slightly lower video quality compared to the GOUT, has superior audio (uncompressed instead of Dolby Digital AC3), but uses the same sound mix.

If by real you mean no special edition footage whatsoever, even if the footage is almost identical to the original, then I would suggest the Dark Jedi GOUT DVD's and the related Team Blu GOUT blu-rays. I, like many on the forum, am impatiently waiting for the negative one project to be completed. 35mm prints of all three films of the original trilogy. If you're too impatient, the Puggo Grande, Pug Strikes Back, and Return of the Pug are based off 16mm prints of ANH, ESB, and ROTJ respectively. They might be the closest to "real" you are going to get atm, but sometimes it is said that they look worse than the GOUT. Shame that Puggo doesn't have any way to scan those prints in HD. It could have helped people like Harmy...

Anyways, those are your options. I hope you find what you're looking for, even if I don't understand myself.

No offense, but your English doesn't sound very good. What is your primary language? What country are you from? If you prefer watching the original trilogy in your own language, it would nice to know what is is, unless you prefer watching it in English.

Most people in originaltrilogy.com don't post their fan edits or preservations directly on the threads because of fear of copyright law. By making it harder to find, it's easier to circulate. I know that might sound a little crazy, but its no more crazy than your preference for versions of star wars with bad video quality.

Someone uploaded clips of the Puggo Grande and the Pug Strikes Back, if you want to check if the quality fits your standards.

www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZbTJZ2SkRPo

www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tOMEZI8iMo

I might be able to pm you links to the Puggo Grande and the Pug Strikes Back, but there are no guarantees that the links will work.

Remember, google is your friend.

Auronfan02 said:

ahhh thank you for the reply... i already looked for the 16mm puggo to download but cant find the link in the thread... by ,, real " i mean the same ,, bad sound and picture" quality as released in the cisemas all thos years ago ;) can you maybe send me the links to them ? 

sounds strange but for me counts as worst as best :D

 Star Wars was never released in bad quality in the cinemas.

he might have first saw it in the 80s when it was reissued.

Auronfan02 said:

livserge said:

Auronfan02 said:

ahhh thank you for the reply... i already looked for the 16mm puggo to download but cant find the link in the thread... by ,, real " i mean the same ,, bad sound and picture" quality as released in the cisemas all thos years ago ;) can you maybe send me the links to them ? 

sounds strange but for me counts as worst as best :D

 Star Wars was never released in bad quality in the cinemas.

 you're right ;) But i want to have it as close as possible as seen in the cinemas on first release :)

But that's what I'm saying.  Unless you watched it at a theater that showed some really old, beat up print, it would have looked great!  Film itself is better quality than blu-ray.  So, to see Star Wars as close as possible to its first release, just watch Harmy's Despecialized.

Just to add, there's a lot of Lucasfilm BS about how the originals looked really bad and that's why they aren't available in any better quality than Laserdisc.  This is quite simply a lie designed to peddle the Special Editions, nothing more.

In spite of being derived from some Special Edition sources, I feel that the Despecialized Editions more accurately represent the theatrical experience than anything else out there.  If you watch anything based on the Laserdisc masters, they may be technically more accurate in detail (which I understand is important!), but they only represent the theatrical experience if you went to the theatre with some Saran Wrap wrapped around your head a couple of times.  It just didn't look like that in theatres.

CatBus said:

In spite of being derived from some Special Edition sources, I feel that the Despecialized Editions more accurately represent the theatrical experience than anything else out there.

This.  Harmy's DE is what I remember SW looking like when it was first released in theaters.  It didn't start looking "bad" until the prints started getting beat up over the course of a couple of years of showing over and over.

Otherwise, how on earth could Lucasfilm have made the blu ray look as sharp as it does, if the original film wasn't as least as sharp?  You can't go in and make a better CGI Luke!

One thing to consider, ladies and gentlemen, is that the word "quality" means different things to different people.

The Predator Ultimate Hunter Edition BD exists for a reason, folks...

well, you know what i mean ;)

(why am I typing this so late at night? It's 1:17 AM where I live.....)

Stay on target now, guys! He's looking for the real originals (low quality)

Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:

CatBus said:

In spite of being derived from some Special Edition sources, I feel that the Despecialized Editions more accurately represent the theatrical experience than anything else out there.

This.  Harmy's DE is what I remember SW looking like when it was first released in theaters.  It didn't start looking "bad" until the prints started getting beat up over the course of a couple of years of showing over and over.

Otherwise, how on earth could Lucasfilm have made the blu ray look as sharp as it does, if the original film wasn't as least as sharp?  You can't go in and make a better CGI Luke!

 Well the negative is always going to be much sharper than the resulting prints, so it is in fact pretty easy to make the Bluray look much sharper and more 'detailed' than what was seen in cinemas in '77.

The truth is inbetween Lucasfilm's spin and people's rose-tinted memories.

The original movie is pretty rough in a lot of scenes, and it is soft, and insanely grainy in some shots. The colour grade is all over the place compared to a modern film, there is gate weave, and on some prints, excessive print-weave. Then of course the black levels are all over the place, the matte lines and garbage mattes are often visible and there are multiple continuity jumps and misprinted composites.

So, the original prints could be considered 'low quality' compared to the Bluray, depending on what your criteria for quality is.

I like the original versions in all their varying quality glory, but there are definitely scenes where you could easily argue that they constitute low quality.

Agreed. Heavily-composited shots look very rough (Mos Eisley being a fine example), and poorly-lit shots as well.  But well-lit shots with just sets and actors?  Those look pretty good.

But I don't think they look anywhere near as "bad" as the original poster believes (or has been led to believe).

The PS78 is straight from projectable 35mm, and tape.