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3fW- said:

This tipping point is likely to come soon because the majority of the work on the revisited saga has yet to begin. Without ever increasing financial support this project will either take the rest of Ady's life or it'll just fade away. It needs support and patience.

The ideal situation is an always increasing fan base who donate and spread the word and patiently wait until the work is done. Honestly, can you see anybody except the man whose hobby this is staying strong for another, say 15 years?

If you are truly a supporter of the project, how about a call to action? Rather than say, "Oh, gosh, I don't think there will be enough support to keep this going," are there ways you think you might be able to help encourage an always increasing fan base? I'm a huge fan of this project and my friends and relatives are probably tired of hearing me geek out over it. Even just by word of mouth and a few online posts, you may find that you have more influence than you realize.

Revisited and Harmy's Despecialized have become my two favorite versions of the OT (with obvious intended differences). Harmy just released ESB:DE which has made me even MORE excited about Ady's ESB:R. In following those two threads, I have been reading posts from different team members about what components they are providing and how they have created or restored them. Instead of shrugging and saying, "Why is it taking so long?", it has INSPIRED me to see what I can do to contribute. I plan on sending PMs to some of them to ask questions about the technical aspects of what they have done. I want to brush up on my own audio/video editing skills and see how I can volunteer to help.

I think you and I are viewing this project from very similar perspectives. Unfortunately, I think it's easy for people to get rather selfish about these kinds of things (especially those without any skin in the game). We continue to see comments from those who are becoming bored or impatient with Ady's "apparent lack of progress" because ESB:R has not been released on the time frame they would like. I find it more motivating than disheartening, though. I would encourage all fans to "ask not what Revisited can do for you, but what you can do for Revisited!"

^ Couldn't have said it better myself. And I'd wager that there are more that have stepped up to help than people realise.

I think it's understandable that someone who has perhaps donated some money or effort to promoting and assisting the project to voice a concern or two when it comes to time etc.

It isn't just Ady's hobby.

It's an intended final product that yes takes time, yes has received hard earned cash and yes has been the subject of thought and suggestions for a period of time longer than anticipated.

Ady is doing most of the work but a heck of a lot of people have assisted in some shape or form.

If he was demanding it be released last week that would be a different matter.

It's not as if he mentioned the dirty fork or anything :-D

I only jump in here from time to time but, here come my 2 cents.

While I too, long for the entire Revisited saga to be completed so I can burn it to Blu-Ray and place it in cases along-side the unopened copies of the prequel and original trilogy blu-rays which I will never watch, I also understand that something like this takes the time and talents of many people, most of all Ady himself.

The only thing I can conceive of that might possibly make things happen faster would be if the community paid out enough money for Ady to literally live off of, which I believe, according to fan-fiction law/etiquette is illegal.  I have every confidence that if the fan community could make a living for Adywan doing this, they would.

However, Adywan has a real life and a real job outside of all this.  He probably is working 80-100+ hour weeks between his regular job and the Revisited saga.  That doesn't even include the time and efforts of all of the other volunteers who have assisted him.

I also agree with the rest of the community that whenever Ady completes some project and visibly shows it to us, there are probably 3-5 "behind the scenes" things being done for the future.  Maybe he shows us that 1 scene with model work is completed but, guess what, he filmed other sequences for later.  Maybe he already has the layout in mind for the entire prequel trilogy and, chances are when he takes his "year off" he is so passionate about the project that we all know he won't be able to truly put it down.

So, in short, while I do understand where certain people are coming from with comments regarding the timing of releases, I feel that they are based on unrealistic expectations.  For crying out loud, if Lucasfilm couldn't, and didn't create the special editions and prequels as they should have been with a huge team of people and nearly infinite monetary resources in a multi-year period, what in the world makes anyone think that one director/producer and a team of volunteers could possibly get the job done in a similar time frame!?  Adywan and everyone involved in this project do incredible work, and I doubt many in the community would disagree if I ventured to say that their work is BETTER than Lucasfilm's in many ways.

I don't care if it takes 10, 15, or 25 years.  It is well-worth the wait.  If people are getting "bored" with the updates, then step away for a while and check back in 6 months, or in a year and see all the amazing stuff that happens.  Participating in the process and seeing it unfold is half the magic, at least, for me it is.

::END RANT::

::Back to my hidey hole:: 

Bingowings said:

I think it's understandable that someone who has perhaps donated some money or effort to promoting and assisting the project to voice a concern or two when it comes to time etc.

 I disagree strongly.  Donations, cash or otherwise, are and should be no strings attached.  If you can't wait, don't donate.

TV's Frink said:

Donations, cash or otherwise, are and should be no strings attached.  If you can't handle not knowing the end date, don't donate.

 Due to the volunteer nature of this project meaning that real life comes before the edit ^this^ is exactly how donators should understand things (and for the most part they do....there have only been one or two instances of people thinking that they had greater rights to answers about release dates than non-donators).

If we were being paid to work on this (which can never happen, but IF) then we would probably already have deadlines and schedules.....but that simply isn't the nature of this particular beast.

TV's Frink said:

Bingowings said:

I think it's understandable that someone who has perhaps donated some money or effort to promoting and assisting the project to voice a concern or two when it comes to time etc.

 I disagree strongly.  Donations, cash or otherwise, are and should be no strings attached.  If you can't wait, don't donate.

Exactly my thoughts. I do understand why people might be frustrated, but that's understandable regardless of donations. Having given money to the project should not factor into it as that suggest Ady is somehow contractually obligated. I disagree strongly with Bingowings' assertion that it's a 'product'. That kind of implies that the donations are payment and entitles you to delivery within a 'reasonable' time.

Yes, Ady has set deadlines that haven't been met, through a combination of personal circumstances and technical disasters, but that shouldn't mean people have the right to get arsey just because they've donated.

I sincerely hope that for all the subsequent edits, Ady does not commit to ANY deadline. 

I've donated to this project. A lot more than I can technically afford in fact. I'm just enjoying the anticipation and updates. As muddyknees said in another post. It's about the journey.

And as he's just pointed out above, there are other people devoting their time, resources and skillsets to this project. They're donators too. If they had this attitude, the Revisited 'Team' would have disbanded a long time ago.

TV's Frink said:

Bingowings said:

I think it's understandable that someone who has perhaps donated some money or effort to promoting and assisting the project to voice a concern or two when it comes to time etc.

 I disagree strongly.  Donations, cash or otherwise, are and should be no strings attached.  If you can't wait, don't donate.

Generosity leads to gratitude.

Gratitude leads to latitude.

Latitude leads to longitude...

where was I again?

Did I mention strings? I'm pretty sure I didn't mention strings.

No. If someone believes in something strongly enough to help it along I think that they earn a bit of breathing space when it comes to asking questions as to when that investment is going to yield tangible results.

Jumping on people who have supported these projects for daring to ask questions will only serve to deter people from helping in the future.

This will adversely effect the whole enterprise.

None of us want the whole enterprise adversely effected so I suggest we just tolerate the questioning up until the point it becomes entitlement.

Which I don't think it has yet.

Despite the protestations of some present here it is the final product that interests us most. The road to it is interesting but it's the goal we crave more not the game. If it is all about the journey why not have a donation drive to stop ady from finishing the ESB:R as each station stop brings the journey's end closer. No that's silly. We want all of them finished so we can watch them and praise Ady for his ingenuity and pat ourselves on the back for giving him a hand.

Right?

So I fail to see what is so blasphemous about someone making that sort enquiry.

Inquiries and questions are very welcome. Though we may not answer everytime someone asks when it will be done anymore because we have tired of the question this isn't anything wrong with a question of that nature bred from anticipation.  That having been said there HAVE indeed been quite a few instances of people acting entitled. Our point is simply that donating does not give you greater rights than anyone else. Donations don't somehow put you on the fast track to the inner circle.

And enjoying the journey in no way implies that one does not anticipate and want the final product. I don't know why those 2 things would have to be mutually exclusive.

True when I was a child I only used to enjoy the train journeys with my father to football matches. I hate football now and I hated it then.

But as I say in this instance the journey is an interesting bi-product of the process of getting the final product, which we invest our time, hopes and sometime cash into because we have been convinced by an already existing final product (or more if than one if you include Ady's other edits and reconstructions).

In the past there have been instances of people acting in an entitled way but as I said in post I don't think this is the case in this instance or in every instance. Therefore I suggest that we acknowledge and respect what people do to help this project get to it's final destination and don't put people off with what could perceived as cliquishness.

Which I'm sure that would not be either intended or desirable.

We appreciate every donation, and all the interest and curiosity in the project. Standing up for ourselves when someone gets a little too pushy or rude in no way diminishes this.

All he did was voice a concern that interest may diminish over time (and that could diminish the avenues for assistance). He seemed polite to me.

He was polite, but what good does it do to voice those concerns?  How exactly does that help?

It alerts the readers of this thread to the possible dangers implied and like any other possible problem allows us to maybe come up with some sort of workable solution.

Maybe there is one.

When there is a creative obstacle (like an effect looking one way or another which doesn't quite work from the perspective of one contributor) people come up with possible solutions or communicate that they don't see a problem.

Why should this be any different?

The supposed problem was a loss of interest. The project takes as long as it takes, regardless of a few people who don't have the patience to stay excited for long periods of time.....so it doesn't really change much. Hence, no real problem.

Bingowings said:

It's not as if he mentioned the dirty fork or anything :-D

  ;-)

This was brought up the last time we saw the asteroid chase. About this asteroid that perhaps meant to be the "Big One".

Is there anyway to make it look as though the fairly large chunk of rock they do a barrel roll to avoid can be shown getting closer than the big round rock?

In terms of perspective you would not see the surface of the "Big One" from the cockpit. or perhaps only a slight hint of it at most.

Is there a possible fix by trying to show the one they do a barrel roll to avoid is the one getting closer?

Or perhaps another way which might be better... Is to show the big round one's height to be much higher out the cockpit window (perhaps no alteration needed?). so it could appear that they fly underneath it. on the next shot a hint of the round one could be shown above the falcon.

or perhaps the dodgy looking 2d asteroid that you quite rightly removed could find a place to fix it better?

That is assuming that you don't have a fix for it yet... If you do then great but I think this could work as they clearly dive down in the shot prior to the ext asteroid field shot. C3-PO falls forward on Chewbacca so they obviously took a dive? or is he just cuddling him?. Damn I think he is just cuddling him but if It could be made to look like a sharp dive by adding a shake or something? And obviously that 2D underside surface of the "Big Round One" would shift off screen upwards pretty fast and get slightly scaled bigger (scaled up) as it goes off screen

muddyknees2000 said:

The supposed problem was a loss of interest. The project takes as long as it takes, regardless of a few people who don't have the patience to stay excited for long periods of time.....so it doesn't really change much. Hence, no real problem.

Oh I think the problem could be a real one. Impressions no matter how false can break the momentum of an undertaking such as this one.

It's one of the reasons why I suggested working on the easier aspects of other revisited projects while waiting for some more difficult aspects of the current one to become ready. Something Ady as taken up by working on ROTJ:R and AR:SE concurrently and doing PT:R in the same way.

This should hopefully speed things up a little especially as there are no new blu-rays to wait on.

The goal should still be to finish the next project as quickly as possible but keep plugging away at the whole cliff face when that isn't possible.

Now one person alone is subject to the same pressures as everyone else. We all have lives, we all have families, so some delegation would also speed up the process and put less pressure on the most team member. It would also help disperse the impression that we are all waiting on one man if the other team members were to be a bit more vocal in regards to what they do and here not just on facebook because here is where it began and not everyone uses facebook.

I also think that rather than having progress reports subject to fund raising drives and sheer body of moaning harms the project. It creates a false sense of simony. It would make more sense to do a monthly round up of what has been done with the occasional clip (but not too many) or picture (probably better and less draining on the final enjoyment of the piece) thrown in for good behavior.

That would maintain interest despite the length of time it takes to complete the process. People will see and sense progress made rather than having a general sense of it might get done at some point or it might not and not feel that progress is subject to the team banking contributors money. People are more likely to help something if they think it will be done rather than if they keep donating it might be done. I think this is part of what 3fw was highlighting.

I also think an official ROTJ:R thread would help sooth any anxieties and transition the move from the nearly completed current project and the already started next one (the Dagobah trees will be used in both projects as would the lens that Ady is asking funding for).

Bingowings said:

 

It would also help disperse the impression that we are all waiting on one man if the other team members were to be a bit more vocal in regards to what they do and here not just on facebook because here is where it began and not everyone uses facebook.

I think that might be down to Ady wanting to keep certain aspects of the project a surprise. I certainly appreciate that he does that. As for things being on Facebook and not on here, for the most part I think updates have been repeated here, though not so much recently. But I do appreciate that it's a LOT easier posting an update to Facebook rather than the image hotlinking involved in doing the same on a forum. I've never understood people's aversion to Facebook either. You don't even need to be a member of Facebook to view the Revisited Facebook page, or its updates. Unless someone's boycotting Facebook as some kind of futile anti-capitalist gesture, I don't see the problem. 

Bingowings said:

 

I also think that rather than having progress reports subject to fund raising drives and sheer body of moaning harms the project. It creates a false sense of simony. It would make more sense to do a monthly round up of what has been done with the occasional clip (but not too many) or picture (probably better and less draining on the final enjoyment of the piece) thrown in for good behavior.

Except the updates are nothing to do with fund raising drives or moaning. Occasionally, Ady has promised a new clip as an incentive for reaching a donation goal, however he's not been holding regular updates to ransom for donations. There have been updates whenever he's had something to update us on. A monthly round-up is pointless if progress is sporadic and Ady doesn't have anything tangible to show. And that's yet another deadline I sincerely hope he doesn't commit to again.

Bingowings said:

 

I also think an official ROTJ:R thread would help sooth any anxieties and transition the move from the nearly completed current project and the already started next one (the Dagobah trees will be used in both projects as would the lens that Ady is asking funding for).

A lot of the complaining on the Facebook page has been comments like "Why are you bothering to tell us your plans for ROTJ:R when you haven't even finished Empire?" I fully support Ady's decision to start the ROTJ:R thread when HE'S ready. I think it will be quite a cathartic moment for him when he finally draws a line under EP V and begins the page for ROTJ:R.

brash_stryker said Except the updates are nothing to do with fund raising drives or moaning. Occasionally, Ady has promised a new clip as an incentive for reaching a donation goal, however he's not been holding regular updates to ransom for donations.

Despite the paradox contained therein in the past Ady has done exactly that and it's within his right to do so.

My suggestions are to curb the possible drift away due to loss of momentum. They my not work for everyone but the potential problems highlighted in the earlier post are worthy of debate. If anyone else has alternative suggestions I'm sure they will be gratefully received and considered.

Bingowings said:

brash_stryker said Except the updates are nothing to do with fund raising drives or moaning. Occasionally, Ady has promised a new clip as an incentive for reaching a donation goal, however he's not been holding regular updates to ransom for donations.

Despite the paradox contained therein in the past Ady has done exactly that and it's within his right to do so.

Equating Ady offering a bonus clip as an incentive (exactly what I said myself above, by the way) to 'holding updates to ransom' is pretty silly. 

For that example to support your argument, it would have to have been the only update about his progress. It wasn't. It was exactly what he said it was - a clip. He wasn't  there saying "I'm not going to tell you what I'm up to until you give me money". He was still giving updates independent of that clip.

You are splitting hairs and misunderstanding the nature of my comments. I could waste time and link to other instances which would create an impression that this is the case. It isn't the case.

Hotrod and myself joke about holidays, house extensions, hob-nobs and shampoo but we know Ady is spending the money exactly as he says or at least we trust him enough to do so.

I was defending the earlier postee from the slightly OTT response to his perfectly reasonable observations and suggesting means by which his fears could be mitigated.

Have you got other suggestions?

Not splitting hairs at all. You presented a superficially similar yet entirely irrelevant counter to what I said, and I shot it down. And why shouldn't I have?

I think it paints Ady as mercenary when that's not the case at all, nor have I seen any examples of that despite your assertion that you could dig some up.

As for suggestions, I have none because nothing needs to be done. The project is progressing and I'm looking forward to the final edit.