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Ignorance in the Star Wars Galaxy

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The following thoughts are asked from a fully assimilated, 'saga' perspective. I appreciate the convoluted history of the story, the improvised nature of which largely causes these questions. But I am thinking about these things in light of all material up to the present. 

The prequels and Clone Wars series establishes Anakin Skywalker as a relatively well-known war hero. The novelization of Episode III makes it sound like Anakin and Obi-Wan are two of the most famous Jedi around. Yoda is seemingly the prime member of the Jedi Council. The holonet seems to function like the internet does for us. 

The Empire suppressed information and spread propaganda, but a whole galaxy can't just forget what was so well known after 19 years. Vader's identity is not public knowledge, and I believe the official story is that Anakin was killed defending the Jedi temple.

Fast forward. Luke Skywalker is told that his father was a navigator on a spice freighter. Obi-Wan seems to bring Luke up to speed by giving him more or less the 'official' version of the story. Anakin was famous, so I wonder if Luke ever heard of him elsewhere. If so, would he have had the realization offscreen that his father was THAT Anakin Skywalker? If not, how did that information become to thoroughly suppressed? Obi-Wan was willing to let Luke know the seeming 'official' version of Anakin's story, but Owen dreamt up something much more mundane. 

The deleted scene with Red Leader, Biggs, and Luke that was partially reinstated for the SE references Luke's father. It seems like others in the galaxy know who Luke's father is by merely knowing his surname and Jedi status. Is the lack of knowledge that his father was a Jedi sufficient reason for Luke to be taken in by Owen's lies? Again, does this mean that he must have realized later, "Golly, my father was THE Anakin Skywalker?!"

Related to that, why does Luke not know what Yoda looks like? Is it because he simply did not have time to research it between hearing about him and leaving for Dagobah? Surely Luke would have done a galactic Google search about the Jedi and have seen (even propaganda-spun) information about some of the most famous Jedi. 

I'd like to see these issues addressed in the upcoming Heir to the Jedi novel. I've always found it confusing about who in Star Wars knows what. This issue was really driven home in the pre-prequel EU, because the prequel story had not been told yet so there was nothing for authors to have the characters know. Since the post-ROTJ EU was written in broadly chronological order, the time at which the prequel films were released coincided in-universe with discoveries of old information that had been lost. Now that the EU has been "rebooted," as it were, I'd like to see novels tackle this issue more directly. 

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Well I'd imagine even if there's some sort of galaxy spanning internet, it wouldn't be hard to see why Tatooine might not have it. Also, I don't think it's so hard to believe the Empire would be able to completely suppress info about the jedi. 

More generally I don't think I believe there is a galaxy spanning internet. Star Wars is more of a fantasy than a sic-fi story, so I like to see it in fantasy terms. I'm sure there are books and such around about the jedi, and people tell tales of course, but I'm not surprised that in his years on the run, Luke was not able to attain a photograph of Yoda. As well, I doubt Tatooine is a place of much culture, so I doubt too that Luke would have heard about Anakin from anyone but Owen.

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The logistics of running a galactic internet are... intense. Even at lightspeed, google searches would take from minutes (same solar system) to millenia (farther away). The only way it could work is if it was allowed to pass through the hyperspace portals or whatever, which I'm sure the Empire had more or less control of. Keep in mind, in modern China, North Korea, etc. most people don't know the truth about some historic events. It's actually somewhat likely that the Empire would censor this information.

In truth, however, this can be attributed almost entirely to Lucas's admittedly non-existent planning for the saga.

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I never thought of it before but you're right HAL, it doesn't make much sense that a Fighter-Pilot fanboy like Luke would have never heard of the greatest pilot who ever lived.

It would be like a kid called 'Luke Senna' growing up living, sleeping and breathing motor-racing and nobody ever says "It's funny you should like cars and motor racing because there was this world famous Ayrton Senna dude!? He was the best driver ever". Then Luke replies "Oh really?? That's odd because my dad was called 'Ayrton Senna' too but he was just a bus driver".

Even on a backwater like Tatooine this unlikely what with Luke probably hanging round Anchorhead talking to pilots and hearing tales of far off worlds. If Luke had spent his whole life dreaming of being a moisture farmer then fair enough. If he'd spent his childhood reading 'Moisture Farmer Monthly', glueing together model Vaporators and collecting 'Moisture Farming Bubblegum Cards', then I could believe that he'd have never come across this famous pilot with the same name as him.

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Ryan McAvoy said:

I never thought of it before but you're right HAL, it doesn't make much sense that a Fighter-Pilot fanboy like Luke would have never heard of the greatest pilot who ever lived.

It would be like a kid called 'Luke Senna' growing up living, sleeping and breathing motor-racing and nobody ever says "It's funny you should like cars and motor racing because there was this world famous Ayrton Senna dude!? He was the best driver ever". Then Luke replies "Oh really?? That's odd because my dad was called 'Ayrton Senna' too but he was just a bus driver".

Even on a backwater like Tatooine this unlikely what with Luke probably hanging round Anchorhead talking to pilots and hearing tales of far off worlds. If Luke had spent his whole life dreaming of being a moisture farmer then fair enough. If he'd spent his childhood reading 'Moisture Farmer Monthly', glueing together model Vaporators and collecting 'Moisture Farming Bubblegum Cards', then I could believe that he'd have never come across this famous pilot with the same name as him.

 It would be like that if it was just one planet, especially tatooine. But there are "countless" star systems in the galaxy. Tatooine, Alderaan, Coruscant just to name a few... Now imagine that at the same time... NONE of the other people in the galaxy were named Anakin? Or had the last name Skywalker? There are so many people named... Tom Cruise for example. In my town a guy named Tom Cruise runs a wheelchair store. If someone said their father was named Tom Cruise... No way would I assume it was either of those people. Also, who ever explicitly told luke his father's name was Anakin until Obi-Wan? Perhaps Owen and Beru told him Jeff Skywalker was his father.

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Remember it was Old Ben that regarded Anakin as the best star-pilot in the galaxy. Red 5 only knew about Anakin because he met him and thought he was a great pilot.

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DominicCobb said:

Tom Cruise, inventor of the hover-round?

 Ah! That's the one. I knew I remembered it from somewhere. I just remembered him saying his name and the wheelchairs. It just looked like an amateur-ish local commercial.

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Luke's ignorance is understandable. HAN'S is something completely different.

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doubleofive said:

Luke's ignorance is understandable. HAN'S is something completely different.

I think that Han's and Motti's ignorance is a result of how easily Order 66 was carried out. People thought, "If the Jedi have this all-powerful Force on their side, how did mere clones gun them down so easily?"

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The characters in SWverse are ignorant to the exact extent Georgie-poo is lazy and solipsized when retconning in heaps of nonsense.

In other words, they are very, very, extremely, inexplicably, bafflingly, maddeningly, shamefully, pitifully, embarrassingly, unforgivably ignorant.

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Hal 9000 said:

I'd like to see these issues addressed in the upcoming Heir to the Jedi novel.

If that were to happen, I'd avoid the novel like the plague.

I know some people like seeing the EU directly confront and deconstruct the PT, and I'm all for that, but only in PT-era EU. OT-era EU should be left 110% PT-free.

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I dont consider the EU, so the Holonet doesn't exist for me. 

Luke was on a backwater planet. He learned what local gossips said, and what his Uncle and Aunt told him. 

I dont want to see these issues addressed because if there's a new EU, I'd hope it was more about fun stories, not dealing with continuity issues. 

Seriously... who runs out to buy a book saying "cant wait to see those continuity issues fixed!"

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The truth is, trying to fix continuity issues often makes things worse. For example, saying that the Empire made people forget about the Jedi would raise the question of how people forgot what they saw 20 years earlier.

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Well it doesnt make sense but it is another reason I consider the PT to be a different franchise.  They are not the same galaxy.  

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Wouldn't the Empire be offering rewards for tips on Jedi/showing them being brought to "justice" on newsfeeds throughout the galaxy? One of the Rebels trailers shows a Jedi being captured, for instance. You'd think that Luke would have seen at least one of these things when he went into town, even on a backwater nothing planet.

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we really don't get much sense if how common people view the Jedi in the PT. Its possible in a galaxy wide empire, even when the Jedi were active many people felt as Han does.

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Re: Luke not knowing what Yoda looks like: If OT was the only reference point, I guess this would be easier to explain away as the culture of communication is just way different from ours. It's a mixture of modern and ancient stuff. I don't remember any photographs (although cameras clearly exist), paintings or other depictions of likenesses in the OT.. Were there any? Even writing is almost non-existing. The recent SW Rebels propaganda posters and the presence of graffiti seem a bit off because of this.  

If you add PT and EU to the mix, I'm pretty sure it is impossible to explain all the stuff mentioned in this thread with sound logic so I'm not going to even try. It's a mess. If I think about OT only, I can buy the notion that, due to the aforementioned difference in communication and the fact that the Jedi are a religious (mystical, esoteric) thing, finding out the truth about these things is very hard. So hard that even the chosen one had to go to great personal lenghts to find out some facts about things that seem to be shrouded in secrecy, legends and misinformation.

As for people (including all kinds of creatures) in general, it's a vast galaxy where most cultures seem rather primitive (due to the Empire eating up the developed ones?), so perhaps people just don't know or care.

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Tyrphanax said:

Wouldn't the Empire be offering rewards for tips on Jedi/showing them being brought to "justice" on newsfeeds throughout the galaxy? One of the Rebels trailers shows a Jedi being captured, for instance. You'd think that Luke would have seen at least one of these things when he went into town, even on a backwater nothing planet.

 I dont see any hint in the OT of any kind of intergalactic network system. There is no PNN (Palpatine News Network). In the deleted scenes, Biggs has to tell Luke what he's seen in the inner systems. There are no reporters. No one has a cell phone. Greedo goes to the local bar to find Han, he doesn't look him up on ScoundrelBook. 

Even the PT shows this. Queen Amidala has to physically fly to the capital to explain what's going on. They don't just flick to the GoogleNaboo app.  The Trade Federation denies it. 

All this strongly implies that mass communication in the SW universe is difficult, inconvienient, and not generally a priority.

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TheBoost said:

Even the PT shows this. Queen Amidala has to physically fly to the capital to explain what's going on. They don't just flick to the GoogleNaboo app.  The Trade Federation denies it. 

All this strongly implies that mass communication in the SW universe is difficult, inconvienient, and not generally a priority.

 Amidala had to flee Naboo in order to avoid capture.

Why doesn't she message Coruscant once they've landed on Tatooine? Remember, she receives a message from Governor Bibble urging her to contact him. Qui-Gon tells her to send no reply. Why? Because her reply could be traced back to its point of origin. Same for if she sent a message to Coruscant. So the only safe thing to do was maintain radio silence until they safely made it to their final destination.

You also forget the intergalactic message between Obi-Wan on Kamino and the Jedi Temple in AOTC.

What doesn't make sense is why Obi-Wan can have a live conversation between Coruscant and Kamino which is described as being "beyond the Outer Rim." But then later has to relay a recorded message from Geonosis to Tatooine before it can reach Coruscant.

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Tobar said:

What doesn't make sense is why Obi-Wan can have a live conversation between Coruscant and Kamino which is described as being "beyond the Outer Rim." But then later has to relay a recorded message from Geonosis to Tatooine before it can reach Coruscant.

If I remember correctly, his long-range transmitter was damaged in the duel over Geonosis with Jango.

I do agree that in the OT, mass communication (at least beyond the outer rim) isn't a big thing. Perhaps that's due to Imperial sanctions on the news or just general information lockdown, which seems very evil Empire to me.

If you wanna really reach, in the Holiday Special, there's a lot of long-range communication, Empire-mandated viewing of certain programs, and even a live transmission directly from Tatooine. =P

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Darth Id said:

The characters in SWverse are ignorant to the exact extent Georgie-poo is lazy and solipsized when retconning in heaps of nonsense.

 Bingo. 

There really isn't another answer.  Only the apologists fail to see it.  In fact, they enabled him and allowed him to continue by not calling him on it. 

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And that's exactly it. I can find fun in finding in-universe explanations for oddities in stories, especially in Tolkien's world. It's strange to juxtapose ignorance and lack of media with FaceTime chats across half a galaxy's diameter. 

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