What do you HATE about the EU? — Page 24

^Well, in a universe where people have mastered FTL travel and can build planet-destroying weapons, something as simple as increasing the human lifespan and slowing the aging process should be a piece of cake.

The KOTOR is better than the movies movement. Nothing is better than the OOT.

Whenever somebody says that the legends announcement shrunk the universe, I facepalm. The EU shrunk the universe to death and closed off possibilities for stories.

I was looking up the name of the actor who played Owen in the PT on Wookieepedia, and I happened to stumble upon this image:

Yeah, so apparently not only did Vader personally give the order for the stormtroopers on Tatooine to execute Owen and Beru -- an idea which in and of itself is dumb -- but he personally witnessed it happen through hologram.

BULL, MOTHERFUCKING, HORSESHIT!

Suffice it to say, I hate this -- I hate this stupid contrived rectal ulcer A LOT. I hate it so much, I'm adding it to my personal non-canon, and a personal non-canon is something I hadn't even conceived of let all alone had prior to typing this post.

Joel Edgarton. Good actor.

The Legends universe could have been continued as a separate universe. In the end, the concept of canon killed the Legends universe. I don't miss the Legends universe at all, but I find it quite ironic how people harped on it being canon for so long and then canon is what killed it.

darklordoftech said:

The Legends universe could have been continued as a separate universe.

It still could, couldn't it? I don't think that possibility's been ruled out yet. 

SilverWook said:

My impression of Vader in the OT is that's he mostly a cool customer. He doesn't lash out unless somebody screws up carrying out his orders, or mocks the Force. And even Force choking Motti betrays a sick twisted sense of humor.

Yeah, he strangled that rebel at the beginning of the first movie, but that was part of the job.

It's what makes his turning on the Emperor in Jedi so good.

My thoughts exactly. Vader's not a sadist like Palpatine -- he doesn't relish inflicting pain or seeing others suffer; everything he does he feels he does for the greater good, regardless of how brutal or distasteful it may be.

It's hard for me to sympathize with Vader or see him as someone worthy of redemption when the EU characterizes him as a mustache-twirling supervillain.

There were conflicting stories of Boba's escape from the Sarlacc, so Leland Chee said that Boba escaped, fell back in, and escaped again. Why couldn't Chee have said that one of the escape stories was an in-universe rumor?

^Chalk it up to typical fanboy "everything-has-to-be-canon-so-that-it's-all-real-and-all-matters" mentality.

I dislike Boba and Jango being Mandalorians. Boba isn't a Mandorian in the ESB novelization or in Last Man Standing. A Marvel comic incorrectly made him one and the AOTC tie-in EU forced that Marvel comic into continuity.

skyjedi2005 said:

Boba was always a Mando as far back as when Joe Johnston created him they just did not have a name for the super soldier.

That's just not true. Boba was just a bounty hunter who wore Mando armor.

skyjedi2005 said:

darklordoftech said:

skyjedi2005 said:

Boba was always a Mando as far back as when Joe Johnston created him they just did not have a name for the super soldier.

That's just not true. Boba was just a bounty hunter who wore Mando armor.

 That is certainly true in current Canon continuity since its the BS Lucas came up with nearly 30 years after Empire's original theatrical release.

And its the Canon going forward along with the special editions, the prequels and of course the above mentioned clone wars.

The original original trilogy is probably in the same boat as legends if not worse.

Boba was never a Mando outside of the prequel-inspired EU BS. He wore "the sort of armor" worn by Mandos, but wasn't a Mando himself.

To put things more succinctly:

• In the continuity of the Marvel comics, Boba Fett was a Mandalorian who fought in the Clone Wars alongside Fenn Shysa and other Mandalorians under the banner of the Empire before going rogue and becoming a bounty hunter.
• In the post-Marvel, pre-AOTC EU, Boba Fett was a Journeyman Protector-turned-bounty hunter whose real name was Jaster Mereel. He had no known ties to the Mandalorians beyond wearing a suit of their armour he found some time after adopting his new identify.
• In the post-AOTC EU, Boba Fett was once again a Mandalorian. It wasn't said so in AOTC, but the EU writers ran with the idea because -- well -- just because.
• In the post-TCW continuity, Boba Fett is back to being just a bounty hunter who wears Mandalorian armour without having any ties to them.

DuracellEnergizer said:

To put things more succinctly:

• In the continuity of the Marvel comics, Boba Fett was a Mandalorian who fought in the Clone Wars alongside Fenn Shysa and other Mandalorians under the banner of the Empire before going rogue and becoming a bounty hunter.
• In the post-Marvel, pre-AOTC EU, Boba Fett was a Journeyman Protector-turned-bounty hunter whose real name was Jaster Mereel. He had no known ties to the Mandalorians beyond wearing a suit of their armour he found some time after adopting his new identify.
• In the post-AOTC EU, Boba Fett was once again a Mandalorian. It wasn't said so in AOTC, but the EU writers ran with the idea because -- well -- just because.
• In the post-TCW continuity, Boba Fett is back to being just a bounty hunter who wears Mandalorian armour without having any ties to them.

There's also the ESB novelization, which says that Boba wears "the sort of armor" worn by Mandos.

In TOTJ, Ziost is the capital of the Sith Empire, implying that it's the homeworld of the Sith species. Furthermore, TOTJ references the Sith fleeing to Korriban to escape a genocide. However, KOTOR called Korriban "the homeworld of the Sith" and then a starwars.com article about the history of the Sith explained that the Sith species began on Korriban and moved to Ziost following a destructive conflict.

What I hate is that KOTOR said that Korriban is the Sith homeworld when that clearly wasn't the case and then the starwars.com article went with KOTOR's incorrect statement instead of declaring KOTOR an unreliable narrator.

This is how the EU writers handled everything following the release of the SE and PT. If something new contradicts the old, twist the old to suit the new; don't try to make sure things line up in the first place, just "fix it in post".

DuracellEnergizer said:

This is how the EU writers handled everything following the release of the SE and PT. If something new contradicts the old, twist the old to suit the new; don't try to make sure things line up in the first place, just "fix it in post".

So true.

Traviss's Mando worship. Wearing cool armor doesn't make you the good guy.