Random Thoughts — Page 308

If you ask me there is no difference between the Jewish "faith" and the teachings of the Nazi.  They both teach that their members are part of a master race and that all other races should be murdered. It is evil in it's purist form.

If we don't do something about them now it's only a matter of time before they turn on us for not being Jewish so it's a matter of national security.

If you ask me the UN should give Israel 24 to completely disarm their military or face an invasion that's goal is to wipe the evil state off the face of the earth.

Israel is the single most evil thing the human race has ever produced and it needs to be destroyed. The only reason 911 happened was because we supported this evil state so now their victims see us as part of the evil that is trying to wipe them out.  We need to prove we are on the right side by cutting off all relations with Israel at the very least and stop letting pro jewish groups raise money in this country.

What Israel is doing is pure evil and needs to be stopped.

As for Iraq Bush forced us into that war and didn't give anyone a choice.  I say we should publicly execute the inter Bush family for the crimes they committed there so we send a message that this sort of thing will not be allowed to happen again.

The Jews are the chosen people but not a master race.

They are chosen to be an example to everyone else and are held to a higher standard by God.

In this regard they are a servant race, They have to work harder.

The current state of Israel is the antithesis of this. It has many points of similarity to Nazism.

The religiously anticipated restored Kingdom, the Messianic Israel is meant to be a beacon of peace and learning. It is meant to draw all people to God via the example set by the Jews.

This is not what we have here.

You have to be careful when you say things like "the worst thing ever".

For one thing ever is a very long time in both directions.

Jewish people have a long history of being labelled as especially evil or worthy of punishment. This is what what is usually called antisemitism and it's still alive and well and wandering around the 21st Century.

Human beings of any group are capable of vile acts if you want a modern example that rivals this look at Rwanda.

Next door neighbours for years, hacking with machetes the limbs of women and then rolling them into pits of shit to die because a voice on the radio says it's permissible.

The Game of Thrones is a mild pastiche of the real vileness of humanity not getting the humane thing for thousands of years and for the last few thousand the Jewish people have been the victim of choice for the Western powers so contextualise before you go too far off the rail there.

The current state of Israel is a fad like the Crusader states. Hopefully the region will become the beacon of peace and hope promised to the religions of both sets of people but it won't happen all the while America throws arms at the Israelis and Russia throws arms at Iran.

The state was started with the cold blooded murder of millions.  It and all it stands for are evil.

I am starting the think the world would be a better place if we had just taken our time in Ww2 and let Hitler finish the job.  I am sorry if that sounds harsh but when the upshot of our coming to the rescue is many more people dying at the hands of the people we saved I have to wonder if saving those people was the right thing to do in the first place.  We need to stop playing god and just let nature run it's course and stop getting involved in stuff like this.  All it does is put monsters in a position of power and make us a target. 

If Iran does get nukes and uses them on Israel I will not care at all,it will mean we will finally get an end to this conflict and stop this genocide.

I would care a great deal if anyone nuked anyone. I've seen Threads (1984).

It's not just political leaders who suffer a nuclear winter and what starts in the middle east doesn't stay in the middle east.

Yeah maybe but I am so depressed about the state of the human race at the moment I am not sure I could bring myself to care if the whole race including myself got wipe out.  What have we ever done that is any good any way?  Seems to me all it would mean would be an end to the cycle of death.

I can't think of anything good to say about our race at this moment and I am starting to think the planet would be better off without us.

The planet is a ball of minerals. If the minerals crawl or float around in a radioactive dust cloud it means nothing to the planet.

I know many Jews who are appalled by what Israel is doing. One of my former co-workers burned her Israeli passport because she didn't want any of this nonsense done in her name.

People are capable of amazing acts of kindness and compassion too.

In Israel there are people working against the nationalist sectarian game, the spores of common sense are all around waiting to break out but the current climate is just not suitable.

DrCrowTStarwars said:

If you ask me there is no difference between the Jewish "faith" and the teachings of the Nazi.  They both teach that their members are part of a master race and that all other races should be murdered. It is evil in it's purist form.

no difference?!?!  Last time I checked, Jews havn't mudered six million people because they didn't like their religious believes.  Last time I checked, the Jews havn't tried to take over the world.

I find what you are saying here and what you've said in the political thread about Jewish people to be extremely offensive.

If we don't do something about them now it's only a matter of time before they turn on us for not being Jewish so it's a matter of national security.

That's crazy, they won't turn on us.   We're one of the reason's the whole middle east hasn't tried to totally distory Israel.

If you ask me the UN should give Israel 24 to completely disarm their military or face an invasion that's goal is to wipe the evil state off the face of the earth.

more craziness. 

Israel is the single most evil thing the human race has ever produced and it needs to be destroyed.

You're talking like this guy:

So it's okay for Israel to murder people by the thousands and take their land and no one is allowed to question anything they do? 

Well if saying that the nation of Israel is doing something wrong when they target children and hospitals makes me hitler then I am proud to call myself hitler.

Just because something bad happened to them a decades ago does not give them a free pass to do that exact same stuff to other people.  How come it was wrong for Hitler to try and wipe them out but it is okay for them to try and wipe out anyone they don't like?  Don't you see the double standard here? 

At the very least we should cut off all relations with the nation of Israel and make it hard for them to raise money in this country.

DrCrowTStarwars said:

The state was started with the cold blooded murder of millions.  It and all it stands for are evil.

what murder of millions?  what the heck are you talking about?

I am starting the think the world would be a better place if we had just taken our time in Ww2 and let Hitler finish the job.

the only reason, I'm not putting you on ignore for this, is that I know you have mental difficulties.  

If this isn't anti-semitic talk, I don't know what is. 

  I am sorry if that sounds harsh but when the upshot of our coming to the rescue is many more people dying at the hands of the people we saved I have to wonder if saving those people was the right thing to do in the first place. 

why do you only blame Israel for the problems over there?  Does Hamas share none of the responsibility for all the deaths over there?   You do realize that Hamas is a terrorist group, don't you?

If Iran does get nukes and uses them on Israel I will not care at all,it will mean we will finally get an end to this conflict and stop this genocide.

 wow, I'm just lost for words here. 

DrCrowTStarwars said:

So it's okay for Israel to murder people by the thousands and take their land and no one is allowed to question anything they do? 

never said that was ok.

Well if saying that the nation of Israel is doing something wrong when they target children and hospitals makes me hitler then I am proud to call myself hitler.

are they truly targeting children and hospitals.   I don't it.  The problem is, Hamas a terrorist organisation, does target innocent civilians and then hides among the civilians of their own people thus making it almost impossible to hit them without hitting Palestine civilians.  

Just because something bad happened to them a decades ago does not give them a free pass to do that exact same stuff to other people.

of course it doesn't.   But they do have a right to protect their civilians from being attacked from Hamas.  

  How come it was wrong for Hitler to try and wipe them out but it is okay for them to try and wipe out anyone they don't like?  Don't you see the double standard here? 

I don't see a double standard here, cause I don't think Israel tries to wipe out anyone they don't like.  

At the very least we should cut off all relations with the nation of Israel and make it hard for them to raise money in this country.

 not going to happen.

DrCrowTStarwars said:

Yeah maybe but I am so depressed about the state of the human race at the moment I am not sure I could bring myself to care if the whole race including myself got wipe out.  What have we ever done that is any good any way?  Seems to me all it would mean would be an end to the cycle of death.

I can't think of anything good to say about our race at this moment and I am starting to think the planet would be better off without us.

 I strongly suggest you get help for your depression. 

Don't engage the anti-Semitic asshole, Warb.

Ryan McAvoy said:

Sigh, the news on Gaza is depressing right now.

Last night on Channel 4 News, presenter Jon Snow was close to tears after the horrors he's witnessed in the last week and then during his live report Paul Mason looked physically angry and again close to tears. Then this morning, Al Jazeera had a UN official crying during an interview and again another UN worker was crying during a live interview on Radio 4.

When seasoned reporters and UN crisis workers are emotionally shellshocked, the slaughter of the Palestinian civilians must be truly horrific.

 I agree it is horrific.  Maybe Hamas should stop putting their own people in harm's way.

TV's Frink said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Sigh, the news on Gaza is depressing right now.

Last night on Channel 4 News, presenter Jon Snow was close to tears after the horrors he's witnessed in the last week and then during his live report Paul Mason looked physically angry and again close to tears. Then this morning, Al Jazeera had a UN official crying during an interview and again another UN worker was crying during a live interview on Radio 4.

When seasoned reporters and UN crisis workers are emotionally shellshocked, the slaughter of the Palestinian civilians must be truly horrific.

 I agree it is horrific.  Maybe Hamas should stop putting their own people in harm's way.

The Gaza strip is 360 square Kilometres and has a population of nearly 2 million, the average age is 18 (there are old people so that's mostly kids). As I said earlier it's essentially a concentration camp.

It's under blockade and is constantly bombarded by the most militant and well armed society on the planet.

Where should they go Frink and how do they get there?

I'm sure the people of Gaza would appreciate this information.

Bingowings said:

TV's Frink said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Sigh, the news on Gaza is depressing right now.

Last night on Channel 4 News, presenter Jon Snow was close to tears after the horrors he's witnessed in the last week and then during his live report Paul Mason looked physically angry and again close to tears. Then this morning, Al Jazeera had a UN official crying during an interview and again another UN worker was crying during a live interview on Radio 4.

When seasoned reporters and UN crisis workers are emotionally shellshocked, the slaughter of the Palestinian civilians must be truly horrific.

 I agree it is horrific.  Maybe Hamas should stop putting their own people in harm's way.

The Gaza strip is 360 square Kilometres and has a population of nearly 2 million, the average age is 18 (there are old people so that's mostly kids). As I said earlier it's essentially a concentration camp.

It's under blockade and is constantly bombarded by the most militant and well armed society on the planet.

Where should they go Frink and how do they get there?

I'm sure the people of Gaza would appreciate this information.

 Thank you.

I am so sick Israel getting a pass because of what Hitler did when they are doing the exact same thing?!  So the people in the west bank should just sit there and slowly starve to death and live in a geto?  Why does Israel get a free pass to do whatever they want?  Is I guess these guys would also object if Israel started shelling their town and our military did anything to stop them because if you say anything negative about Israel you are the same as Hitler.

Remember anyone who questions anything Israel or a jewish person does is the same as Hitler. Everyone who is born into the Jewish race is perfect and no law applies to them and they can do whatever they want because everything they ever do is going to be perfect and if a jewish person decides to murder you and steal your stuff you are the one at fault not him.

Oh and speaking up for the people of the west bank does not make me anti-Semitic,since they are a Semitic people. Also if has been pointed out Zionism and Judism are not the same thing then speaking out against Zionism does not make me anti-jewish either any more then speaking about against Hitler and Nazis makes me anti-German.

I have one standard Genocide is wrong and it doesn't matter who commits it. If it was wrong when Hitler did it then it has to be wrong when Israel does it. There is nothing anti-Semitic about that,just anti-genocide.  Oh and yes they have targeted hospitals,power plants,private homes with their rockets and their goal so to kill everyone in the west bank who isn't a member of their Zionist master race,that is an attempt at Genocide,and if opposing that makes me Hitler in your eyes then so be it.

Bingowings said:

TV's Frink said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Sigh, the news on Gaza is depressing right now.

Last night on Channel 4 News, presenter Jon Snow was close to tears after the horrors he's witnessed in the last week and then during his live report Paul Mason looked physically angry and again close to tears. Then this morning, Al Jazeera had a UN official crying during an interview and again another UN worker was crying during a live interview on Radio 4.

When seasoned reporters and UN crisis workers are emotionally shellshocked, the slaughter of the Palestinian civilians must be truly horrific.

 I agree it is horrific.  Maybe Hamas should stop putting their own people in harm's way.

The Gaza strip is 360 square Kilometres and has a population of nearly 2 million, the average age is 18 (there are old people so that's mostly kids). As I said earlier it's essentially a concentration camp.

It's under blockade and is constantly bombarded by the most militant and well armed society on the planet.

Where should they go Frink and how do they get there?

I'm sure the people of Gaza would appreciate this information.

 So you can blame Israel for the fact that Hamas launches attacks from crowded residential areas?

The fact that you call it a concentration camp is enough for me to no longer engage you either on this issue.

Could you please reconsider the anti-Jewish shit?

Hitler genuinely believed that international banking interests had caused WWI, caused Germany to lose and crippled Germany with reparations, this was accurate but he married this to his cultural antisemitism and in a mad rush to fulfill his paranoid whims his antisemitic followers killed millions of Jews and removed the cultural and intellectually enriching Jewish component from much of continental Europe and shipped it with American money and British backing to Palestine. Where it in turn displaced millions and causing the mess you see on the television which fueling your antisemitism.

Why were the Jews in charge of much of the International banking of the day in the first place? Catholic anti-usury law. During much of European history only Jews were allowed to make money from lending money. As a consequence whenever a regime wanted some instant cash they would have a pogrom.

The Jews are historically the repeat victims of financial down turns. Okay it's disappointing that a society formed of Jewish refugees from this sort of shit would act the same way to people when they have the upper hand but to paraphrase Elton John some say eat or be eaten,some say live and let die but all are agreed as they join the stampede, you should always take an eye for an eye and then some, you are just turning a Circle of Death by blaming all the Jews for what Israel is doing.

Israel is a country with some nice people living in it and currently the worst in a long chain of evil shit governments which considering the region isn't that surprising. The middle east is where the oil is. That's  why they call it the Oily Land.

I have never heard a better argument for getting off of oil,so we can tell everyone in the middle east to go screw themselves.

I am not anti-jewish,just anti-Zionist.  It's just too bad all the jewish people with the power to act right now are also Zionists.

TV's Frink said:

Bingowings said:

TV's Frink said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Sigh, the news on Gaza is depressing right now.

Last night on Channel 4 News, presenter Jon Snow was close to tears after the horrors he's witnessed in the last week and then during his live report Paul Mason looked physically angry and again close to tears. Then this morning, Al Jazeera had a UN official crying during an interview and again another UN worker was crying during a live interview on Radio 4.

When seasoned reporters and UN crisis workers are emotionally shellshocked, the slaughter of the Palestinian civilians must be truly horrific.

 I agree it is horrific.  Maybe Hamas should stop putting their own people in harm's way.

The Gaza strip is 360 square Kilometres and has a population of nearly 2 million, the average age is 18 (there are old people so that's mostly kids). As I said earlier it's essentially a concentration camp.

It's under blockade and is constantly bombarded by the most militant and well armed society on the planet.

Where should they go Frink and how do they get there?

I'm sure the people of Gaza would appreciate this information.

 So you can blame Israel for the fact that Hamas launches attacks from crowded residential areas?

The fact that you call it a concentration camp is enough for me to no longer engage you either on this issue.

Yes it launches it's rubbish rockets wherever it can. Causing next to no damage because of the carefully worked out defense measures Israel currently has in place.

Here are the casualty trends :

Most of the Israelis killed are armed soldiers.

Yes it's a concentration camp.

The concept was created by the British in the Boer War. It means to get lots of people of the same type together in the same place.

Like the American internment of people of Japanese origin during WW2.

Which is exactly what the gaza stip is . Its a small area of land with a large population of mostly children being bombed to pieces by the most well equipped armed force on the planet.

Have you seen the news? Have you seen the damage?

You can stick you fingers in your ears if you like but your country is supporting these clowns as is mine. The deaths of those children are partly done in our names, the real ones, the ones that pay taxes.

Bingowings said:

TV's Frink said:

Bingowings said:

TV's Frink said:

Ryan McAvoy said:

Sigh, the news on Gaza is depressing right now.

Last night on Channel 4 News, presenter Jon Snow was close to tears after the horrors he's witnessed in the last week and then during his live report Paul Mason looked physically angry and again close to tears. Then this morning, Al Jazeera had a UN official crying during an interview and again another UN worker was crying during a live interview on Radio 4.

When seasoned reporters and UN crisis workers are emotionally shellshocked, the slaughter of the Palestinian civilians must be truly horrific.

 I agree it is horrific.  Maybe Hamas should stop putting their own people in harm's way.

The Gaza strip is 360 square Kilometres and has a population of nearly 2 million, the average age is 18 (there are old people so that's mostly kids). As I said earlier it's essentially a concentration camp.

It's under blockade and is constantly bombarded by the most militant and well armed society on the planet.

Where should they go Frink and how do they get there?

I'm sure the people of Gaza would appreciate this information.

 So you can blame Israel for the fact that Hamas launches attacks from crowded residential areas?

The fact that you call it a concentration camp is enough for me to no longer engage you either on this issue.

Yes it launches it's rubbish rockets wherever it can. Causing next to no damage because of the carefully worked out defense measures Israel currently has in place.

Here are the casualty trends :

Most of the Israelis killed are armed soldiers.

Yes it's a concentration camp.

The concept was created by the British in the Boer War. It means to get lots of people of the same type together in the same place.

Like the American internment of people of Japanese origin during WW2.

Which is exactly what the gaza stip is . Its a small area of land with a large population of mostly children being bombed to pieces by the most well equipped armed force on the planet.

Have you seen the news? Have you seen the damage?

You can stick you fingers in your ears if you like but your country is supporting these clowns as is mine. The deaths of those children are partly done in our names, the real ones, the ones that pay taxes.

 Facts!

Thank you.

Ryan McAvoy said:

Are Bingowings and DrCrowTStarwars using this thread to do an elaborate two-hander performance art piece in which they have each have adopted the same intractable views as the two sides in the conflict?

If it is, then it's a beautifuly constructed satire. If it's not, then it's somehow even more depressing than the news and I wish it would stop.

I'm sorry I posted a comment about this controversial subject in 'random thoughts' and started all this. Please take this debate to one of the other "toxic" threads like 'politics' or 'Controversial subjects'.

Then this can go back to being about random stuff... oooh kitten!

Yeah right. Sorry for responding to a opinion on people being senselessly murdered on the off topic section of a Star Wars forum. It was but a mild hiccup on my part.

Let the band play on my champagne bucket needs more ice.

TV's Frink said:

Don't engage the anti-Semitic asshole, Warb.

 You're right.  Sorry about that.  I have put him on ignore.  I am done with his and Bingo's insanity.

Well I am proud to be on the ignore list of someone who thinks it is okay to murder children as long as they are not born white.

I don't claim to have all the answers but this seems like the best option that we have without going to war in order to stop the killing.

What we need to do is cut off all relations and trade with Israel and give the other powers in the region the same weapons we gave them,that way without getting any of our people killed we could force Israel to go to the table like a reasonable country and stop this nonsense. This would also give someone other then the most extreme Zionists a chance to come to power in the country.  This wouldn't require any extreme actions just our refusing to help in Israel commit any more war crimes.

That really seems like the best option we have at this point.