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Sorry if I'm repeating news but I noticed that the SW 4K restoration has been pulled from the Reliance Projects page.

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Hi All, 
I was asked by @swrevisited to provide more info on this tweet I made:
Lucasfilm was showing restored original trilogy @starwars trailers @Comic_Con this year. Are these available? @swrevisited @SW_Celebration

What I saw was the original theatrical trailers from SW & ESB at the Lucasfilm booth that had been digitally restored. Color was corrected, scratches removed, editing splices removed. Crowds were huge and I only was passing by, but I can confirm with certainty that I saw this trailer:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mSH3n_up6LE
The transitions when the characters are shown are so 80's ^_^

I apologize if I was not clear in my tweet and it implied that Lucasfilm was showing trailers of the original trilogy "films" that were restored.

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Thanks for clarifying. Appreciate it.

Interesting that they would restore and show vintage trailers. Maybe they just wanted to be able to show more than just Rebels stuff on their screens.

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Yes, very interesting they would take the time to restore some vintage trailers.  Maybe they were prepared for a new Blu-ray release next year?  Were the trailers on the 2004 DVD set restored?  I don't remember...

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unamochilla2 said:

Yes, very interesting they would take the time to restore some vintage trailers.  Maybe they were prepared for a new Blu-ray release next year?  Were the trailers on the 2004 DVD set restored?  I don't remember...

 If they were not as good as what I saw, They looked wonderful.
Super rich colors. Can't remember if Hoth had a blue tint though...

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Well, if (and it's still a big if) they are planning on releasing the OUT at christmas time, or next fall, then vintage trailers would be a fun way to advertise it. I'm sure if the Lucasfilm people at comic con even slightly hinted at an OUT release we'd have heard about it by now.

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thedaner said:

Sorry if I'm repeating news but I noticed that the SW 4K restoration has been pulled from the Reliance Projects page.

 I think it got pulled down after several sites started commenting on it and speculating about it. I wonder what that was all about. Maybe the 4k restoration is for a future release that they don't want anyone to know about yet, (fingers crossed for OUT, but not too sure if that's likely), or maybe they saw that a lot of people thought it was for the OUT and it isn't, so they were asked to take it down so people don't get their hopes up for something they aren't getting. Still though, i'm guessing it was taken down at the request of Lucasfilm since it wouldn't make sense for RMW to not want it on their projects list anymore, I mean, restoring Star Wars is a big thing to have on your company's resume.

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gizzy2000 said:

 I think it got pulled down after several sites started commenting on it and speculating about it. I wonder what that was all about. Maybe the 4k restoration is for a future release that they don't want anyone to know about yet, (fingers crossed for OUT, but not too sure if that's likely), or maybe they saw that a lot of people thought it was for the OUT and it isn't, so they were asked to take it down so people don't get their hopes up for something they aren't getting. Still though, i'm guessing it was taken down at the request of Lucasfilm since it wouldn't make sense for RMW to not want it on their projects list anymore, I mean, restoring Star Wars is a big thing to have on your company's resume.

 They may have taken it down because it was causing confusion. But yes, I bet you're right about them taking it down after being asked to by Lucasfilm

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Here's my best guess at what's going on:

This rumored digital release in November will probably be the 2011 versions of the movies and nothing more. The big deal about it that LFL/Disney will probably make in the advertising is that this is the first time these movies have been made available to buy/rent as a digital download (which, to my knowledge, would be true). Maybe they'll throw in some itunes extras as an added bonus. We already heard Roger Christian say that his movie (forgot the name of it) might be included in said digital extras.

Meanwhile, we know pretty much for a fact that Reliance MediaWorks has done a 4k remaster of the OT. The comparison of the Obi-Wan/Vader duel with other transfers of the movie seems to indicate these are not the unaltered sabers. Since the sabers were still unaltered in the '97 version, this would suggest that at least some of the '04/'11 changes are in fact being redone. My best guess is that this was to be (and might still be) for the 3D conversion and theatrical re-release of the revised OT, an "SE 2.0" if you will.

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Fang Zei said:

We already heard Roger Christian say that his movie (forgot the name of it) might be included in said digital extras.

This reminds me: Black Angel (1980) is already on iTunes. Has anyone here deDRM'd it?

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Fang Zei said:

Here's my best guess at what's going on:

This rumored digital release in November will probably be the 2011 versions of the movies and nothing more. The big deal about it that LFL/Disney will probably make in the advertising is that this is the first time these movies have been made available to buy/rent as a digital download (which, to my knowledge, would be true). Maybe they'll throw in some itunes extras as an added bonus. We already heard Roger Christian say that his movie (forgot the name of it) might be included in said digital extras.

Meanwhile, we know pretty much for a fact that Reliance MediaWorks has done a 4k remaster of the OT. The comparison of the Obi-Wan/Vader duel with other transfers of the movie seems to indicate these are not the unaltered sabers. Since the sabers were still unaltered in the '97 version, this would suggest that at least some of the '04/'11 changes are in fact being redone. My best guess is that this was to be (and might still be) for the 3D conversion and theatrical re-release of the revised OT, an "SE 2.0" if you will.

 

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Fang Zei said:

Here's my best guess at what's going on:

This rumored digital release in November will probably be the 2011 versions of the movies and nothing more. The big deal about it that LFL/Disney will probably make in the advertising is that this is the first time these movies have been made available to buy/rent as a digital download (which, to my knowledge, would be true). Maybe they'll throw in some itunes extras as an added bonus. We already heard Roger Christian say that his movie (forgot the name of it) might be included in said digital extras.

Meanwhile, we know pretty much for a fact that Reliance MediaWorks has done a 4k remaster of the OT. The comparison of the Obi-Wan/Vader duel with other transfers of the movie seems to indicate these are not the unaltered sabers. Since the sabers were still unaltered in the '97 version, this would suggest that at least some of the '04/'11 changes are in fact being redone. My best guess is that this was to be (and might still be) for the 3D conversion and theatrical re-release of the revised OT, an "SE 2.0" if you will.

 I'm not sure how likely this would be, but would they possibly simultaneously restore both the OUT and the current SE? Would they be able to scan the negative as well as the old scenes and recreate the OUT for a blue ray release and then go back and add in some SE changes (like 04 Jabba and lightsabers) and release that in theatres. Would that be something they'd do or is that completely unlikely?

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I know we've been over this ad nausem, but since the search function and forum setup here are so bad, I'll ask again anyway, didn't Lucas hack up the OOT negatives so badly that restoring them would take considerable effort? I'm seriously finally considering just getting the Despecialized Edition and making due. If Harmy could do it in the basement with rudimentary sources, multimillion dollar studios should be able to. But I defer to the above, I find the notion that the OOT will be anything more than a "bonus material" afterthough to be wishful thinking at this point. 

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Well, I'm no expert in the subject so I just direct people to this old post from savestarwars.com from when George was still in charge.

"Lucas speaks about how expensive it would be and all the work that would need to be done, but in fact it would be relatively easy and inexpensive. One, presenting existing prints in high-def with modest cleanup would cost in the hundred thousand dollar range. Relatively speaking, this is very inexpensive, which is why obscure films like Police Academy 5 are available from original 35mm elements. Restoring the films from the negatives is not too expensive as well--because it was largely already done. In 1995, Twentieth Century Fox spent $20 million restoring and enhancing the Star Wars trilogy for the anniversary re-release. All that would need to be done today is retrieving the missing original pieces (roughly five to ten minutes per film), cleaning them if necessary, and editing them into a scan of the existing negative. Further cleanup could be done, but this is not strictly necessary, as the 1997 release had no major digital cleanup. So, the pricetag to finish the restoration of the trilogy from the negatives would be in the range of a million dollars, to throw a ballpark figure out there. To put this in perspective, the 2004 DVD set sold $100 million in its day of release. To put it in greater perspective, Lucas is a billionaire as it is. Lucas also need not involve himself in this, as film restorationists could handle the project themselves and seek to match the new digital copy to archival material. The project could be outsourced as well, to Criterion for example."

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Mike O said:

I know we've been over this ad nausem, but since the search function and forum setup here are so bad, I'll ask again anyway, didn't Lucas hack up the OOT negatives so badly that restoring them would take considerable effort? I'm seriously finally considering just getting the Despecialized Edition and making due. If Harmy could do it in the basement with rudimentary sources, multimillion dollar studios should be able to. But I defer to the above, I find the notion that the OOT will be anything more than a "bonus material" afterthough to be wishful thinking at this point. 

 Here's a site that may help answer your question: http://savestarwars.com/filmpreservation.html#ch5.  It's full of lots of great information.

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Mike O said:

I know we've been over this ad nausem, but since the search function and forum setup here are so bad, I'll ask again anyway, didn't Lucas hack up the OOT negatives so badly that restoring them would take considerable effort? 

 No. Well, for Lucas any amount of effort greater than "none" was too much, but for the rest of the world it's not a big deal. The material exists. Reconstructing an episode of Star Trek next generation from the raw dailies is a bigger hassle and they just did that 170 times.

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One of the reasons I think we'll see an OOT restoration eventually is because it's relatively simple compared to some film restorations that were much more difficult, not to mention we are talking about Star Wars here, Disney isn't against preserving classics like Lucas was and there is a DEFINITE market for the non-SE's. With a price tag of approximately 1 million US dollars there's no way to not make a significant amount of money. I'm not saying they'll make back their 4 billion from this but it'll still make for good blu ray sales

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AntcuFaalb said:

Fang Zei said:

We already heard Roger Christian say that his movie (forgot the name of it) might be included in said digital extras.

This reminds me: Black Angel (1980) is already on iTunes. Has anyone here deDRM'd it?

Black Angel is out already? Instant buy.

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Ah, Black Angel is the movie I was trying to remember the name of.

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gizzy2000 said:

Disney isn't against preserving classics like Lucas was
They'll preserve OOT just as they've preserved Song Of The South

However, in practice you must take into account the “fuckwit factor”. Just talk to Darth Mallwalker…
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Darth Mallwalker said:

gizzy2000 said:

Disney isn't against preserving classics like Lucas was

They'll preserve OOT just as they've preserved Song Of The South

Song of the South is offensive and embarrassing to them, they have good reason to ignore it in this day and age (though, they haven't destroyed it, either).

Star Wars presents no such issues.  It is a humorous comparison, but hardly a valid one.

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If they want to piss everyone off they can release neither and make "Song of the Sith" direct-to-video.

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As far as Song of the South goes, it's an example of a big business not wanting to offend anyone and subsequently lose customers. Whatever they decide to do (or not do) with Star Wars will be based on money, PR, marketing, and things like that that businesses think about. I don't want to get my hopes up either, but remember, Star Wars is no longer controlled by a man who wants the OT to be erased from existence, so if Disney thinks it's a logical decision to release the OOT, they'll do it.

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I think we have got our hopes up too high with this 4k business. The most realistic chances are that these are for the digital release. We know Star wars is supposed to be going to Netflix and, with their 4k streaming now available, it's probably be just going to be the 20011 version just for that now, after the 3D versions were dropped. They'll probably just upscale the changes and slap them into whatever version had the 4k scan.

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At this point I'm convinced the 4K is likely the SE. What I think will happen is whenever the next blu ray release of the OT is, they'll include the unaltered versions as a bonus disc, just like the GOUT except hopefully this time it'll be somewhat acceptable and in HD. If Lucas could be convince to release them (as insulting as that release was), then I'm sure Disney will be willing to release them.