The Audio Preservation Thread — Page 11

I have the unsynched PCM for ST V and VI, as well as for TMP (since the one done by Jonno isn't bit-perfect). Not sure if I'll ever get around to doing V, and VI could be a hassle since I don't think the LD is the theatrical cut like the BD is.  Plus the DNR and aliasing on the VI BD is really bad...

captainsolo said:

I have both DYS discs and will happily help out with the mono. You need the earlier Image disc for the last line, and the new BD or some other source for the correct uncut flashback cue.

I have already ordered the Italian blu-ray of Duck You Sucker, so I could share the English audio from there as well. :)

captainsolo said:

I have both DYS discs and will happily help out with the mono. You need the earlier Image disc for the last line, and the new BD or some other source for the correct uncut flashback cue.

 That sounds great! A capture of the audio on both of those discs would be amazing. TheHutt's English Mono from the Italian Blu-Ray could be used for the flashback cue I believe.

Unless I'm over looking something, this would be enough sources to effectively recreate the English mono for the complete cut of the film.

jonlstevenson said:

the original Blade Runner mix is terrible. Granted its original and should be preserved but its not a good mix. Dialog/ADR sounds very terrible 

 which is the best bladerunner track/mix in your opinion (for which edition of the movie)?

anyone has jaws 2?

the bd is in the talks for quite some time. but will it contain the original mono? who knows. besides, there are some hd releases we could use it on :)

so a unsynced ld audio of this movie would be sweet :D

and for the sake of... jaws 3 and 4 too ;)

does anyone feel like syncing/cutting both original LD Blade Runner tracks to the Douche Edition?

The Douche edition is the DC + additional violence which has been cut out and which is present in the other version(s). It can be found on usenet. Its possible to create this edition with lossless video, because all these 3 different cuts exist on the same BD in branched form. together with the final cut this is my preferred version of Blade Runner, because I hate such cuts of violence, sex etc. Its basically the best of both worlds of the DC and the US/international cut versions.

Anybody want to preserve the U.S. theatrical cut of Blade Runner? The only PCM release (going by LDDB) was a 1993 pan and scan Japanese LD [NJEL-20008], which is normally obscenely expensive...but it's currently on Urabanchou.com for $19.99! (Of course, that's before all the customs/duties/shipping charges, but I haven't seen another copy for sale for less than $70, again EXCLUDING those charges.)

Link here. Not sure when this sale ends - the regular price is $24.99. There's only one copy in stock. Anybody wanna buy this?

(We'd just have to hope the LDDB contributor is in fact correct, and this isn't just the International Cut again.)

More suggestions: What about the Rocky series? The original mixes of all five are on the Blu-rays, but they are (of course) lossy.

There are PCM versions of the original mixes (mono for I, Dolby for II-IV) on the 1990 MGM/UA releases of I-IV (black covers with the image in the center). And there's only one LD release of V, which has PCM too.

zeropc said:

anyone has jaws 2?

the bd is in the talks for quite some time. but will it contain the original mono? who knows. besides, there are some hd releases we could use it on :)

so a unsynced ld audio of this movie would be sweet :D

and for the sake of... jaws 3 and 4 too ;)

ElectricTriangle said:

TServo2049 said:

More suggestions: What about the Rocky series? The original mixes of all five are on the Blu-rays, but they are (of course) lossy.

There are PCM versions of the original mixes (mono for I, Dolby for II-IV) on the 1990 MGM/UA releases of I-IV (black covers with the image in the center). And there's only one LD release of V, which has PCM too.

I don't think that most people can tell the difference between properly compressed audio and lossless audio. Lossless audio is just needed if you want to edit it. Do they sound bad on the Blu-ray?

 I don't know. I just assumed PCM always sounded better than compressed DD.

ElectricTriangle said:

TServo2049 said:

 I don't know. I just assumed PCM always sounded better than compressed DD.

 Unless they give it a particular anemic bitrate or screw up the encoding, DD (and other lossy codecs) should sound identical to a lossless track (of the same master). The whole idea of lossy compression is to remove data that the human ear can't hear. Lossless audio is useful for editing as going from one lossy codec to another will produce noticeable decay.

That being said, poor encodes happen as does over filtering audio tracks. (Which is one of the reasons this thread exists.)

ElectricTriangle said:

digitalfreaknyc said:
No offense but that's like saying you shouldn't be able to tell the difference between an mp3 and a CD. And that's just dumb.

 Actually, most available testing shows that people can't tell the difference between a proper, high-bitrate mp3 and a CD. The difference is usually a placebo or a poorly encoded or low bitrate mp3.

Of course, I would much rather have a CD then an mp3 album, simply because it's more versatile, and I can rip to the format of my choice (vorbis!).

digitalfreaknyc said:

ElectricTriangle said:

digitalfreaknyc said:
No offense but that's like saying you shouldn't be able to tell the difference between an mp3 and a CD. And that's just dumb.

 Actually, most available testing shows that people can't tell the difference between a proper, high-bitrate mp3 and a CD. The difference is usually a placebo or a poorly encoded or low bitrate mp3.

Of course, I would much rather have a CD then an mp3 album, simply because it's more versatile, and I can rip to the format of my choice (vorbis!).

If you don't think there's a difference or don't really care about it, then I think you're on the wrong forum...and surely in the wrong thread.

 Agreed

Another suggestion: The Last Starfighter. No home release since the widescreen LD has had the original Dolby Stereo track. This is the release that has the theatrical mix in PCM.

I would just love to get the Rocky series LD PCM audio in sync with the BD video!!! It would be a dream

There's just no contest, they beat the 5.1 tracks and the lossy DD. The lossy tracks are heavily compressed (192kbps) and probably went through some RE-EQ (just like most of the so called 'original mixes' on BD)

Does anyone have the PCM mono audio for Enter the Dragon?

IcePrick said:

Does anyone have the PCM mono audio for Enter the Dragon?

 Sadly been looking for that one also. No luck so far

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as a heads up, the Twin Peaks blu-rays come with lossless 7.1 tracks. I guess these upmixes wont sound too good and the 2.0 track on those discs is AC3 with 192 kbit/s. so maybe someone feels like adding their LD tracks :)

(that is if someone at all has all those LDs, they were really expensive from what Ive heard).