I wasn't trying to say you can't or even shouldn't like it(I do include it when i watch a marathon of Star trek Films)it was just that your first post seemed to express confusion as to why people don't like the movie,so i was trying to explain that. Sorry if that was lost in my long rambling posts,print is not the medium in which I express myself the best. Sorry if it came off as a personal attack or went a bit overboard. One of the reasons I like threads like this is that people can explain why they do or don't like a movie and I find exploring those different viewpoints interesting. For instance your reasons for liking Insurrection are almost the same as my reasons for liking Star Trek V. It is a pretty bad movie but the camping scene and the banter between the three leads saves it for me,so i do understand your view point. I was just trying to explain mine is all. Sorry if I messed that up.