Waterworld [spoRv] (Released) — Page 2

Does the blu-ray and hd-dvd have different color timing?

I believe that they have the same colour timing, only the hd-dvd has less DNR applied to it so it is the superior source to work from. That's what i've read anyway, I don't have the hd-dvd so I can't confirm.

The bright sun reflection in the water loses detail, some ripples in the water are gone because of the brightness.

Although the same thing could be said about your first settings here http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/66386/

Crushed detail in the water compared to the untouched hd dvd

I think it looks much better now, i say just go with it.

My pc is currently in the middle of encoding a new higher bitrate version of my regraded fellowship of the ring extended edition release with improved colours, I'm using my uncalibrated laptop right now so I can't comment on your video or screen comparison. If you're willing to wait until tomorrow i'll be able to give you my thoughts.

I did go through the waterworld blu-ray though yesterday before I started encoding. Its a very inconsistent transfer colourwise and very tricky to regrade with one setting and get a good balance

After much experimentation I came up with settings that look nice across the whole film IMHO, retaining the warmth of the sun when they're at sea (which is very important to me because the sun plays a very important part in this film) while removing the red tint and getting fleshtones as natural as possible. Fleshtones are a big problem in this release, they are far too red and far too saturated, so they needed to be selectively regraded.

Have you also addressed the fleshtones problem with your settings? Could you post a clip where we can see the fleshtones of some of the main characters so I can give you feedback on that aspect of the regrade as well?

kk650,
How about a 2-Disc BD50 version for The Fellowship of the Ring Extended instead? I wouldn't mind seeing some Japanese, Russian, German, etc. dubs for some fan preservations.

Andrea,
This spoRv release might be of interest but only version I ever owned of this movie was on VHS ages ago. So it's quite low priority for me.
But as always any Andrea Blu-ray preservation will turn out exceptional.

FremenDar2019 said:

kk650,
How about a 2-Disc BD50 version for The Fellowship of the Ring Extended instead? I wouldn't mind seeing some Japanese, Russian, German, etc. dubs for some fan preservations.

Seems like massive overkill to me, beyond 25gb releases the increase in image quality is very minimal in my experience, the law of diminishing returns very much applies here. The demand for such a large release would also be very low at its current level of popularity and in 2-3 months I'd imagine all the links would be down. I don't rule out such a release in future of course but right now the release is not popular enough to warrant it.

There is of course the other great danger that comes with ps3/blu-ray player compatible releases, I get the feeling that with this particular regrade, due to the very obvious unsatisfactory nature of the official blu-ray, lots of copies of my bd-50 release could start appearing on e-bay with very greedy unscrupulous individuals seeking to make money off the back of all the hours and hard work I put into creating this release (which was many many hours believe me, I spent months trying to figure out how to approach regrading it, by far the release that has taken me the most time to regrade). I shared this release for free so all those that already own the official blu-ray and were unhappy with the blanket green tint over all the transfer and the overall underexposure of the blu-ray had access to a corrected version, not so some greedy individuals on ebay could profit off my work. These ebay sales would also very likely draw the studio's attention onto me due to what they would perceive as lost revenue caused by my release.

Copies of free releases appearing on ebay has happened to Team Blu releases and I can imagine that it would be a lot worse in this case due to the high profile of the film and how clearly messed up the official blu-ray is so such a blu-ray release is off the table for the forseeable future.

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

I read somewhere - can't remember where, because I read about this movie a lot lately - that the continous color changes were due to the fact that often a single shot/scene was filmed during different moment of the day, or in different days and also location...

About flesh tones; all the settings I used preserve them, apart just a bit of saturation less, as the original grading was a little bit "pumped" in this.

Yes I agree, its easy to see throughout the film when they're at sea during action scenes that the position/lighting of the sun and therefore the colour of the sunlight is changing from shot to shot. A little disconcerting at first but as long as the sun's light looks natural in those consecutive shots with inconsistant lighting, its not a big deal and you get used to the sunlight inconsistency throughout the film pretty quickly. It helps that I love this movie. :)

A little bit pumped is quite an understatement, everybody looks completely cooked in this film, a decent amount of desaturation is definately required to get to human fleshtone levels IMHO. Yes the main character is meant to look tanned due to constantly being out on the water but I'm pretty sure he's not meant to resemble the infamous lobster men from Star Wars IMHO.

Is there anyone (still) in possession of the theatrical DTS-track and willing to share it with me or tell me how I can get it? I'm aware that in rare cases, some are offered on eBay but it seems to be difficult to 1. get them and 2. convert them to the common 5.1 format since the LFE information is contained in the rear channels and lowpass-filtered and redirected to the subwoofers during playback in the cinema.

little-endian said:

Is there anyone (still) in possession of the theatrical DTS-track and willing to share it with me or tell me how I can get it? I'm aware that in rare cases, some are offered on eBay but it seems to be difficult to 1. get them and 2. convert them to the common 5.1 format since the LFE information is contained in the rear channels and lowpass-filtered and redirected to the subwoofers during playback in the cinema.

You should take this over to the DTS thread so as not to clutter up andrea's project notes and comparisons.

:)

@ andrea, I think that shot looks great.

I feel the sun plays an important part in this film and your colour grading doesn't reflect that, those regraded screencaps feel quite cold. Yes, the hd-dvd is too orange but I feel that in those screencaps you've probably gone too far in the other direction in the process of trying to remove that blanket orange tint, with overall colours and fleshtones especially that are too blue IMHO.

I personally think you should try to find a middle ground between the hd-dvd colour grading and your current settings, removing the excesses of the orangy hd-dvd colours while maintaining the overall warmth that you would expect with the sun blazing down on the characters for most of the film.

I also feel that the fleshtones are too saturated and need to be toned down a fair bit but I believe i've already mentioned that to you before.

I do like he added grain though.

The added grain is very nice I agree, definately seems to pull out more detail from the hd-dvd.

Yes even the hd-dvd needed some help.