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Time will tell, I guess.

I just find it weird that the site sad "Star Wars Trilogy 4k restoration." If it was for the 3d release wouldn't Clones and Sith have to get a 4k upscale too? Or would those be fine projected in 2k?

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Well, they were "fine" projected in 2K (actually 1080p) since their inception - but even if they did get a 4K upscale, there's no reason for a restoration company to get involved.

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so if the prequels are fine being projected in 1080p, why aren't the originals?

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Because the originals are better movies and deserve better treatment. ;-)

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Well, for one, because unlike the prequels, they can yield higher detail but mainly because the 2004 masters aren't just only 1080p, they're shitty 1080p, with actual resolution hardly beyond 720p.

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Beatleboy99 said:

Time will tell, I guess.

I just find it weird that the site sad "Star Wars Trilogy 4k restoration." If it was for the 3d release wouldn't Clones and Sith have to get a 4k upscale too? Or would those be fine projected in 2k?

TPM got a 3D release without a 4K restoration.

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Harmy said:

We do know, that those aren't the original sabers in that video, which means, that it isn't the '97SE either and apart from color, they look an awful lot like the 2004SE sabers. But since evidence points towards this new transfer having been done in 2012, which would co-inside with the time the 3D releases were still part of the plan, Disney may have nothing to do with it and since Lucas was still running things, they probably would have bothered to add all the other changes for a Lucas-sanctioned 3D re-release.

 Thank you. So Disney will probably just kind of abandon this restoration since there isn't a plan for Star Wars 3D anymore, unless they release it before Episode VII. It's disappointing this won't be for an OUT release, I got my hopes up again dammit, you'd think after nearly 20 years I'd have learned not to have high expectations when it comes to Star Wars

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gizzy2000 said:

Harmy said:

We do know, that those aren't the original sabers in that video, which means, that it isn't the '97SE either and apart from color, they look an awful lot like the 2004SE sabers. But since evidence points towards this new transfer having been done in 2012, which would co-inside with the time the 3D releases were still part of the plan, Disney may have nothing to do with it and since Lucas was still running things, they probably would have bothered to add all the other changes for a Lucas-sanctioned 3D re-release.

 Thank you. So Disney will probably just kind of abandon this restoration since there isn't a plan for Star Wars 3D anymore, unless they release it before Episode VII.

Why not use it in place of the existing Blu-Ray versions in future SE releases?

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darklordoftech said:

gizzy2000 said:

Harmy said:

We do know, that those aren't the original sabers in that video, which means, that it isn't the '97SE either and apart from color, they look an awful lot like the 2004SE sabers. But since evidence points towards this new transfer having been done in 2012, which would co-inside with the time the 3D releases were still part of the plan, Disney may have nothing to do with it and since Lucas was still running things, they probably would have bothered to add all the other changes for a Lucas-sanctioned 3D re-release.

 Thank you. So Disney will probably just kind of abandon this restoration since there isn't a plan for Star Wars 3D anymore, unless they release it before Episode VII.

Why not use it in place of the existing Blu-Ray versions in future SE releases?

That's probably what they will do, with or without alterations. And that's good news for the folks here on this site!

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darklordoftech said:

Why not use it in place of the existing Blu-Ray versions in future SE releases?

 I suppose they will. I just kind of assumed when they bought Lucasfilm that they wouldn't want to keep releasing the SE without the OUT. Probably just getting my hopes too high, but I figured they'd want to get the original films out there so fans would stop being angry with the OT's lack of availability. 

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I want to say AotC and RotS were still "finished" at full 2k cinema resolution. That is, the vfx and the DI were done at that resolution, even though the native footage was only 1920:817.

TPM would've almost certainly been finished that way.

If that's true, that means Lowry's 2004 work on the OT was actually slightly lower res than the prequels. I guess it was close enough to not tell the difference, since dcp's have apparently been made from it and shown theatrically.

... Or I'm just overthinking all of this.

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gizzy2000 said:

darklordoftech said:

Why not use it in place of the existing Blu-Ray versions in future SE releases?

 I suppose they will. I just kind of assumed when they bought Lucasfilm that they wouldn't want to keep releasing the SE without the OUT. Probably just getting my hopes too high, but I figured they'd want to get the original films out there so fans would stop being angry with the OT's lack of availability. 

 Releasing the OUT is still a possibility. This thread is speculation, not fact.

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Wasn't Episode 1 the last Star Wars shot on film (until ep 7), with Episodes 2 and 3 quite famously being all digital?  In that case, I don't think we should be concerned about any conspicuous absence of Episodes 2 and 3 from rumors of 4K restorations (and if they didn't do it for Episode 1 for its 3D release, I don't think anyone plans to bother doing much further with that one).

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yoda-sama said:

Wasn't Episode 1 the last Star Wars shot on film (until ep 7), with Episodes 2 and 3 quite famously being all digital?  In that case, I don't think we should be concerned about any conspicuous absence of Episodes 2 and 3 from rumors of 4K restorations (and if they didn't do it for Episode 1 for its 3D release, I don't think anyone plans to bother doing much further with that one).

 Right. I thought all movies being theatrically presented needed to be in 4k and wasn't thinking about the original runs of Clones and Sith.

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Beatleboy99 said:



yoda-sama said:

Wasn't Episode 1 the last Star Wars shot on film (until ep 7), with Episodes 2 and 3 quite famously being all digital?  In that case, I don't think we should be concerned about any conspicuous absence of Episodes 2 and 3 from rumors of 4K restorations (and if they didn't do it for Episode 1 for its 3D release, I don't think anyone plans to bother doing much further with that one).


 Right. I thought all movies being theatrically presented needed to be in 4k and wasn't thinking about the original runs of Clones and Sith.
There's still a lot of 2k out there.

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doubleofive said:

Beatleboy99 said:



yoda-sama said:

Wasn't Episode 1 the last Star Wars shot on film (until ep 7), with Episodes 2 and 3 quite famously being all digital?  In that case, I don't think we should be concerned about any conspicuous absence of Episodes 2 and 3 from rumors of 4K restorations (and if they didn't do it for Episode 1 for its 3D release, I don't think anyone plans to bother doing much further with that one).


 Right. I thought all movies being theatrically presented needed to be in 4k and wasn't thinking about the original runs of Clones and Sith.

There's still a lot of 2k out there.

 Yeah which is why I didn't understand why there needed to be a new scan of the OT since the blu rays are in 2k (really 1080p)

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Beatleboy99 said:


Yeah which is why I didn't understand why there needed to be a new scan of the OT since the blu rays are in 2k (really 1080p)

1. 2K is still better than 1080p, with 4k magnitudes times better.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/Digital_video_resolutions_%28VCD_to_4K%29.svg/500px-Digital_video_resolutions_%28VCD_to_4K%29.svg.png
2. It's a terrible scan.
3. For future preservation.

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doubleofive said:

Beatleboy99 said:


Yeah which is why I didn't understand why there needed to be a new scan of the OT since the blu rays are in 2k (really 1080p)


1. 2K is still better than 1080p, with 4k magnitudes times better.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c6/Digital_video_resolutions_%28VCD_to_4K%29.svg/500px-Digital_video_resolutions_%28VCD_to_4K%29.svg.png
2. It's a terrible scan.
3. For future preservation.

 OK thanks. So have we ruled out the possibility of it being an OUT release?

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We've ruled it out because the lightsaber blades are not the unaltered version, which probably means they were redone yet again just as they were for the 2004 version (they weren't changed in '97 iirc).

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It should be noted that the before and after sample with the droids in the desert seems to be the old 2004 Lowry fiasco. It's old.

 I disagree. It looks like a new cleanup. Here's why:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/84284/picture:0

The damage in the red circle of the first comparison is completely dealt with in the RMW cleanup. However, this same cleanup seems to add a peculiar bit of damage in the green circle of the first comparison.

Moving to the comparison with the Blu-ray, there now appears to be damage in the red circle which was supposedly dealt with in the RMW cleanup. In the green circle of the Blu-ray, the spot of damage near R2 which is present in the cleanup is gone in the Blu-ray (and there's a different green artifact apparent in the Blu-ray). Also, I reduced the quality of the Blu-ray to match the RMW video, and the discrepancy remains, so the video resolution can hold this damage information.

There are several such damage discrepancies in this shot. I really don't think that this is the original Lowry work.

The lightsabers do seem to be the '04 sabers, but what about NeverarGreat's screenshot comparisons? Don't these point towards something that is not the Lowry work from the DVD and blu ray? 

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Yes, I don't think anyone's saying that it is the 2004 Lowry work. But it kind of looks like they just re-scanned the elements and dropped them into the same compositing project from 2004 and hit render :-)

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Harmy said:

But it kind of looks like they just re-scanned the elements and dropped them into the same compositing project from 2004 and hit render :-)

Thank god I know you're one of the people on this forum who knows things don't work like that ;)

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Yeah, hence the smiley :-) But it does look like they put them through the same process - i.e. they recomposited the elements with too much opacity and without the slight blur, which was probably intentional in the original compositing.

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Hope Disney and Fox (who owns the first one) will get the message that so many fans have been saying over the years, we want the originals and put out new 4k scans on blu-rays and eventually Ultra HD in 10 years or whatever.  They seem to have gotten the message on what was wrong with the prequels, and are trying to make the fans happy with episode 7... hopefully they'll recognize the #1 way to make the older fans happy would be to put out the originals.  I also saw on lowry's reel the Abyss which has never made it past letterbox dvd, I'd be very excited to see a blu-ray of that film as well.