Has there ever been an in universe explanation as to why R2D2's beeps are different in Return of the Jedi? They seem to be much faster.
I've always wondered this, and no one else I've spoken to has even noticed.
Yeah, I've noticed it too. The sounds are more baby-like and cuter sounding, not so much like a robot (or droid in this case). I'd like to know any explanation for that. Probably kid-friendlyness, though.
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Yeah its like they re-used a lot of the sounds created for Star Wars in ESB, (and any created for ESB were made in the same way as SW) but by ROTJ they had to create new sounds and the style was different,.....6 years had passed
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I've never noticed R2 sounding different in ROTJ. I'll have to listen carefully next time I watch it.
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I had never really thought about it before, but I can definitely hear how R2's speech in Jedi is more comic. This is something that was greatly exaggerated in the prequels (especially in Sith, when R2 just wouldn't stop screaming during the crash landing).
It's really weird because R2 isn't a normal robot by any means. During the Dagobah scenes in Empire, R2 sometimes comes across like more of a pet than an ordinary robot (especially when it's peeking in the windows of Yoda's hut). But I must admit that it is a little strange that R2 displays much more fear at Jabba's, when it knew that Luke wasn't really donating them and that Luke had a plan, than on Dagobah, when R2 really had no idea what to expect.
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silverwheel said:
But I must admit that it is a little strange that R2 displays much more fear at Jabba's, when it knew that Luke wasn't really donating them and that Luke had a plan, than on Dagobah, when R2 really had no idea what to expect.
I think being in the dungeon and seeing the droid graveyard and droids being tortured may have spooked him. Even though Luke wasn't really donating them, the droids could have still been disintegrated for any reason. Surely R2 would have been if he didn't learn some respect.
LexX said:
Yeah, I've noticed it too. The sounds are more baby-like and cuter sounding, not so much like a robot (or droid in this case). I'd like to know any explanation for that. Probably kid-friendlyness, though.
Of course, because the beeping in ANH and ESB sounds extremely serious, dark and adult-like. Don't be ridiculous...
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silverwheel said:
But I must admit that it is a little strange that R2 displays much more fear at Jabba's, when it knew that Luke wasn't really donating them and that Luke had a plan, than on Dagobah, when R2 really had no idea what to expect.
Maybe R2 was just pretending to be scared to keep up the act?
Since I've always been extremely aware of the way things sound all my life, I instantly noticed the change in timbre of R2's beeping the first time I watched RotJ. It confused me then, and I still don't understand it now. The ones from the first two films sound better.
Part of it does seem to be the somehow more 'childish' tone, and the increased speed. I suspect it also has something to do with the electronic means used to process it. Different equipment may have been used for the third film, and possibly also different choices in EQ.
Didn't Ben Burtt et al. move to a different sound-mixing suite during post-production on ROTJ? I seem to recall reading in the Making Of book that this move was actually accelerated due to a massive flood in the old building. So that might have something to do with it.
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FWIW, I noticed this while doing my SDH subtitling. Since I tried to match each sound to an emotional adverb (yeah, it's terribly subjective, but also a terribly important part of his "speech" for deaf viewers), ROTJ R2 seemed to have a bit of a different personality. The R2 in SW and ESB was a rude wise-ass with good intentions. R2 in ROTJ has a strong pollyanna vibe. For ROTJ R2, it seemed everything was always going to turn out just fine, you'll see. SW/ESB R2 had a lot more negative things to say.
CatBus said:
The R2 in SW and ESB was a rude wise-ass with good intentions. R2 in ROTJ has a strong pollyanna vibe. For ROTJ R2, it seemed everything was always going to turn out just fine, you'll see. SW/ESB R2 had a lot more negative things to say.
Couldn't this be chalked up at least in part to Threepio's responses to him? While he's always bad-mouthing him in the first two films, I don't recall him doing so much of that in ROTJ.
Oh, absolutely. But that still supports the idea of the new beeps as part of an overall intentional personality transplant, not as a mere technical detail.
imperialscum said:
LexX said:
Yeah, I've noticed it too. The sounds are more baby-like and cuter sounding, not so much like a robot (or droid in this case). I'd like to know any explanation for that. Probably kid-friendlyness, though.
Of course, because the beeping in ANH and ESB sounds extremely serious, dark and adult-like. Don't be ridiculous...
Yeah, that's the only other option...
In SW both R2 and 3PO sounded/behaved much more like actual robots/machines. 3PO was made a little more comic relief in TESB (not in a silly way like PT) and both even more in ROTJ (probably for kid-friendlyness like many changes in tone).
I thought it was common knowledge (in a SW forum at least) that R2's beeps were mixed from electronic sounds and Burtt doing baby voices -> ROTJ more baby, less electronical/robot-like.
Don't be ridicilous.
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LexX said:
imperialscum said:
LexX said:
Yeah, I've noticed it too. The sounds are more baby-like and cuter sounding, not so much like a robot (or droid in this case). I'd like to know any explanation for that. Probably kid-friendlyness, though.
Of course, because the beeping in ANH and ESB sounds extremely serious, dark and adult-like. Don't be ridiculous...
Yeah, that's the only other option...
In SW both R2 and 3PO sounded/behaved much more like actual robots/machines. 3PO was made a little more comic relief in TESB (not in a silly way like PT) and both even more in ROTJ (probably for kid-friendlyness like many changes in tone).
I thought it was common knowledge (in a SW forum at least) that R2's beeps were mixed from electronic sounds and Burtt doing baby voices -> ROTJ more baby, less electronical/robot-like.
Don't be ridicilous.
Generally I find the notion of ROTJ being "kid-friendly" ludicrous. There is very little kid-friendly stuff in it. Even Ewoks aren't really kid-friendly (aside from the looks maybe... but then again I find Wampa much cuter than Ewoks). Almost being roasted alive is quite the most disturbing potential death Luke and Han faced throughout the entire trilogy.
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imperialscum said:
LexX said:
imperialscum said:
LexX said:
Yeah, I've noticed it too. The sounds are more baby-like and cuter sounding, not so much like a robot (or droid in this case). I'd like to know any explanation for that. Probably kid-friendlyness, though.
Of course, because the beeping in ANH and ESB sounds extremely serious, dark and adult-like. Don't be ridiculous...
Yeah, that's the only other option...
In SW both R2 and 3PO sounded/behaved much more like actual robots/machines. 3PO was made a little more comic relief in TESB (not in a silly way like PT) and both even more in ROTJ (probably for kid-friendlyness like many changes in tone).
I thought it was common knowledge (in a SW forum at least) that R2's beeps were mixed from electronic sounds and Burtt doing baby voices -> ROTJ more baby, less electronical/robot-like.
Don't be ridicilous.
Generally I find the notion of ROTJ being "kid-friendly" ludicrous. There is very little kid-friendly stuff in it. Even Ewoks aren't really kid-friendly (aside from the looks maybe... but then again I find Wampa much cuter than Ewoks). Almost being roasted alive is quite the most disturbing potential death Luke and Han faced throughout the entire trilogy.
Nothing says kid friendly like pigmen being eaten, and our protagonist choking a hideous worm monster rapist thing to death with a chain.
Never noticed that. Next time I watch ROTJ I'll listen in. I never really pay attention to R2's beeps.
TheBoost said:
imperialscum said:
LexX said:
imperialscum said:
LexX said:
Yeah, I've noticed it too. The sounds are more baby-like and cuter sounding, not so much like a robot (or droid in this case). I'd like to know any explanation for that. Probably kid-friendlyness, though.
Of course, because the beeping in ANH and ESB sounds extremely serious, dark and adult-like. Don't be ridiculous...
Yeah, that's the only other option...
In SW both R2 and 3PO sounded/behaved much more like actual robots/machines. 3PO was made a little more comic relief in TESB (not in a silly way like PT) and both even more in ROTJ (probably for kid-friendlyness like many changes in tone).
I thought it was common knowledge (in a SW forum at least) that R2's beeps were mixed from electronic sounds and Burtt doing baby voices -> ROTJ more baby, less electronical/robot-like.
Don't be ridicilous.
Generally I find the notion of ROTJ being "kid-friendly" ludicrous. There is very little kid-friendly stuff in it. Even Ewoks aren't really kid-friendly (aside from the looks maybe... but then again I find Wampa much cuter than Ewoks). Almost being roasted alive is quite the most disturbing potential death Luke and Han faced throughout the entire trilogy.
Nothing says kid friendly like pigmen being eaten, and our protagonist choking a hideous worm monster rapist thing to death with a chain.
Are you guys seriously suggesting that SW and TESB are more kid friendly than ROTJ?
You can take stuff out of context as much as you want. You could make even cartoons sound like R-rated movies by saying that villains want to kill naked heroes by dynamite for no reason.
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I'd say SW is a great deal more kid friendly than ROTJ.
Brutal senseless execution of the terrified dancer. The pigman being eaten. The rapey vibe with Leia and the close up as Jabba is brutally killed. Yoda dying. The Emp is terrifying. Luke being tortured on camera, screaming for help. Vaders moral ambiguity at the end. Vaders sad, creepy death. The dead Ewok and his sad friend. The funeral pyre. Lots of troubling imagery and story.
In SW Greedos death is played for laughs. Biggs death and Alderaans destruction are both over after one good scream. No one suffers, there's very little fear. We don't see Aunt Beru running for her life. I think it adds up to a very different tone.
I don't think it's so cut-and-dry as all that.
The brutal offscreen execution of Oola produces screams but no mangled corpse. The brutal offscreen executions of Owen and Beru produce no screams but do produce mangled corpses. I'd say they're both pretty awful, but if I had to choose, ROTJ is slightly kid-friendlier.
Yoda dying a peaceful natural death compared to Obi-Wan's murder. No contest, ROTJ is kid-friendlier there, too.
Luke's torture is onscreen, yes, but I'd say Leia's offscreen torture trumps both Luke's in ROTJ and Han's in ESB. That interrogation droid was pretty much designed to scare the bejeezus out of kids.
And the roasted alive schtick? At the time, that was such a tired old trope kids were very familiar and it played for laughs even among the most sensitive kids. They saw "natives roasting explorers" on everything from Gilligan's Island to Scooby Doo. Nowadays that joke has been played out for decades, so someone born in, say, the late eighties might be totally unfamiliar with it, and actually be disturbed by what used to be a fairly pedestrian joke. But to people raised in the late seventies and early eighties, it was just a somewhat lame gag, like Chewie's Tarzan yell. Oh, the heroes are being roasted by the natives, just like a zillion other serial adventures before. Har, har.
That said, there's plenty of kid-unfriendly stuff in Jedi. The rape vibe likely went over most kids' heads, but it's still there. The Rancor and the Emperor were both flat-out terrifying (pigman or not), and Jabba's death was brutal, slow, and surprisingly onscreen. I don't agree ROTJ is the kiddie movie everyone makes it out to be, but it's hardly the dark one of the trilogy.
And, back on-topic, I don't think the relative kid-friendliness of one movie over another, which is arguable, is really even tangentially related to R2's cheerier personality in ROTJ, which I find to be pretty much just the way it is.
I read that R2 was drinking quite a bit early on, but he got help between ESB and ROTJ.
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I read that R2 was drinking quite a bit early on, but he got help between ESB and ROTJ.
I read it was coke parties with a certain Ms. Fisher.
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