DominicCobb said:

Tobar said:

But he certainly fixed them when it came time to actually make the movie. Look at anything else Kurtzman and Orci have written: total shit movies. But the Abrams Trek films are for sure awesome fun times. One thing's certain: Abrams can direct an action film.

All of the plot holes and utter dreck that were in the scripts survive in those films. Abrams personal flair is all that saves them from collapsing in on themselves.

That's my point. Even if the script is bad at least Abrams will make the movie good.

I don't know where you get that from. Super 8 had a terrible finale (in terms of the script), and that's when a decent movie got crap. STID had an abysmal script and it was easily one of the worst action flicks in recent memory. It does indeed collapse in on itself. Arguably as early on as in the opening scene, and it gets worse after that. MI3 was utterly forgettable. Etc.

The conclusion I reached watching his movies is that if a script is/gets truly terrible, he can't save anything. ST 09 works somewhat, because that movie barely even has a script and it certainly isn't concerned about it.