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Looks similar to the Mondo with maybe some small color changes and gamma adjustments. This just gets more and more complex (or a mess). I'd take that over the MGM any day of the week, its looks more authentic to the age.

With all the interviews about the 4K restoration. Could they of been in reference to this and the green is all MGMs fault? I ask that since the pics of the Fistful 4K restoration had the same green cast as GBU but maybe that was MGM too.

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The trailer looks promising to me.  It seems close to the Mondo but with a slight push in the direction of the 2014 MGM.

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4K Mono version 1.1a is released and won't be touched again.

I will still finish synching it for Mondo though.

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Any other news?

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Synching for Mondo is finished. Need to test it and then it'll be released in the other thread.

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Looks different to that trailer. Seems to be pretty close to the MGM 4K. That's a disappointment.

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Hey I hope I 'm not too late to the party but count me in for a donation toward the IB print purchase, just pm me the details on where to send the donation

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suntech said:

Hey I hope I 'm not too late to the party but count me in for a donation toward the IB print purchase, just pm me the details on where to send the donation

 Thanks. I'm still waiting to hear back from the seller. I'll be in touch if he follows through with my request.

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PDB said:

Looks different to that trailer. Seems to be pretty close to the MGM 4K. That's a disappointment.

It's actually closer to kk650's v2 regrade, which removed the blanket yellow/green tint and scaled back saturation, so that suggests MGM botched the transfer later on.

Nevertheless, let's hope the Italian BD will be more like the trailer.

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Those Italian screenshots give me a Raiders of the Lost Ark vibe - not horrendously screwed up, but still too warm/yellow.

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GBU 35mm IB tech print update:

Unfortunately, the seller is unable to fulfil my request so I'm going to have to let this opportunity pass. I'm unwilling to send USD $1600 based on pics of 5 frames.

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Lil Brutto said:

GBU 35mm IB tech print update:

Unfortunately, the seller is unable to fulfil my request so I'm going to have to let this opportunity pass. I'm unwilling to send USD $1600 based on pics of 5 frames.

 Good call, can't expect anyone to put up that kind of money without knowing 100% what you're getting.

Well friends I think our next best hope would be the Italians re releasing their own version of the film that isn't as bad off at the MGM version.  Audio can certainly be synced because of course it will be lacking an English track.  I'll continue to keep my fingers crossed.

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Lil Brutto said:

GBU 35mm IB tech print update:

Unfortunately, the seller is unable to fulfil my request so I'm going to have to let this opportunity pass. I'm unwilling to send USD $1600 based on pics of 5 frames.

 That is a shame, it looked like a good print.

I can get a 16mm reduction print from Western Australia for around $500 if there is any interest in that.

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Dammit! Well I don't blame you for pulling the plug Lil Brutto. That sucks.

Poita is that 16mm an IB and anamorphic?

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I'm really disappointed.

In light of the recently posted screenshots and trailer of the Italian restoration that fail to put to rest this revisionist color controversy, I think it's more important than ever to acquire an IB tech print.

I've been buying and sell online (ranging from a few bucks to a few thousand bucks) for nearly 15 years and one thing I've learned is that, as a seller, you really need to respect the wishes of any prospective buyers and provide them with sufficient info to know what they're buying and ultimately feel comfortable with the transaction. Especially when the purchase price is in the hundreds to thousands. In my experience, if a seller is not forthcoming that's a big red flag and you're likely to be disappointed at the end. 

Poita had posted a WTB thread in another forum and I guess the seller responded that he could broker the deal for an IB tech print of the Italian cut. The emphasis, in terms of what Poita was looking for, was on the print having good colors. Based on the pics provided that seems to be the case. Not surprising I guess given its an IB tech print. What would be more reassuring is to have more info on the overall condition but that's where we've been hitting a roadblock. Since the seller is not the owner he hasn't been successful in fulfilling my request. The "old man" owner can't be bothered. Well, if you want someone to shell out $1600 I believe you have to make an effort. 

Anyways, if anyone here is willing and able to help facilitate this deal, whether it's an Italian member who can verify it's an IB tech print of good quality or even communicate more effectively with the seller, please let me know. I'm still willing follow through with this transaction. After all, opportunities like this don't come around every day. Let me know! 

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Anamorphic, yes. IB , no.

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Some encouraging news about the IB tech print. The seller just replied that he will get me more info and pics.

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Current Update on the PCM mono project:

The Mondo sync is finished and released (FLAC and DTSHD). The URL from the old PMs is also valid for this track.

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TheHutt said:

I'll also be releasing a less colourful version with the grotto scene included

Please do that. That's the one I am waiting for.

The less colourful version with the grotto scene is now up on tehparadox.

Great job with the updated mono track btw!

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kk650 said:

The less colourful version with the grotto scene is now up on tehparadox.

Great job with the updated mono track btw!

 kk650,

Given that your regrade is the best available release of the 4K transfer and we won't be seeing a new release from the Italians for quite some time, would you be willing to regrade this latest version of yours (i.e without the grotto scene) to the Mondo colors?

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kk650 said:

The less colourful version with the grotto scene is now up on tehparadox.

Great job with the updated mono track btw!

 kk650,

Given that your regrade is the best available release of the 4K transfer and we won't be seeing a new release from the Italians for quite some time, would you be willing to regrade this latest version of yours (i.e without the grotto scene) to the Mondo colors?

Recreating the mondo would require a shot by shot regrade that I personally don't have the free time to do. Even if I did though, I do not believe that it is possible.

Certain scenes like during the battle of the bridge, it has been regraded on the 4k remaster so strongly with one tint that I don't believe its possible to get back to the more natural looking colours of the mondo release in that scene or indeed in many other scenes with strong tints throuout the film, like the final duel.

I'm hoping that Andrea can prove me wrong though and with that colourmatch program of his draw those colours that seem to be lost out of the 4k remaster, allowing him to recreate the mondo colour palette with the detail and grain of the 4k remaster.

That said, I like how this 4k remaster looks now that its had the blanket yellow tint removed, colourwise its not better or worse than the mondo release IMHO, just different, in a good way. Both colour palettes have their strengths and weaknesses.

I'd recommend that people check out the less colourful regraded release themselves and make up their own minds about whether the italian mondo release is so much better than the 4k remaster after having the blanket yellow tint removed.

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There's no doubt in my mind that your v2 regrade is a big improvement over the official 4K release. So much in fact that I can't even bring myself to watch the 2014 BD.

However, I am convinced that the colour timing of the Mondo BD is more in keeping with the original theatrical release. All the more reason why we need to get our hands on the IB tech print.

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As I wrote before in this thread, I did some regrading tests using the latest version of my ColourMatch script and even if it works very well in a lot of shots, sometimes it fails, due to the fact that 4K BD grading is so different from Mondo BD that for the "poor" script (^^,) is impossible to make a perfect work...

So, apart the hand made correction shot-by-shot, that will take so much time I'm not ready to spend in any project, another viable way could be to use the ColourMatch script, and eventually correct the not perfect shots by hand... and even in that case, it will take a very long time...

IMHO, the best thing to do right now is to get kk650 version - the best version actually available, and probably for a long time -  then wait for the eventual BD re-release, to see how good/bad it will be...

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