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DrCrowTStarwars
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All Things Star Trek
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11-Jul-2014, 4:56 PM

SilverWook said:

DrCrowTStarwars said:

Tobar said:

DrCrowTStarwars said:

Sorry but they stated lazers can't pass through deflector shields and the Star Wars ships can't fight at lightspeed or faster and some of those number are way off.  I mean if the Empire's ships can travel that fast then there is no way Han could ever escape them with the falcon traveling at a mere point five past light speed and besides if we go by what is shown instead of dialog then in Star Trek five the Enterprise traveled from earth to the center of the galaxy in a couple of hours.

 

The infamous "no lasers" argument.

In one particular episode of TNG, we heard the following exchange:

DATA: Sensors report a minimum range combat craft of the Squadron Class, twenty-six crew.

WORF: Captain, they have locked lasers.

PICARD: Lasers?

RIKER: That won't even penetrate our navigational deflectors.

Literary method: they seem to be saying that their navigational deflectors are immune to lasers, probably because lasers are supposed to be less advanced than phasers. Some people feel that this means any Federation ship could shrug off any laser, even a monster laser that can blow up planets. Others feel that Riker was factoring the ship's small size into account, and that his statement was not meant to be so over-arching. However, it is impossible to conclusively resolve this argument one way or another unless we can get some kind of official statement from the author on the episode, and that's not forthcoming.

Suspension of Disbelief: it is scientifically impossible for any kind of shield to block infinite amounts of laser energy, because the second law of thermodynamics prohibits 100% efficiency devices and light carries momentum equal to U/c, so there are two mechanisms through which increased power levels would eventually overwhelm any blocking system. Therefore, Riker was either an idiot or he was taking the enemy ship's small size into account when he made his statement. Case closed.

The Federation controls a portion of a single quadrant of the galaxy. The Galactic Empire controls their entire galaxy.

When the U.S.S. Voyager was flung to the other side of the galaxy they estimated it would take 75 years to make it back home.

In Star Wars their galaxy can be traversed from one end to the other in a matter of weeks.

 That still leaves Star trek five out there where an unfinished and damaged Enterprise was able to travel from Earth(A planet out near the edge of the galaxy)to the center of the galaxy in a matter of hours. One thing that I am surprised has not been brought up is maybe the ships have the same top speed or they are slow enough for the falcon with a top speed of point five past light speed to be one of the fastest ships in the galaxy,maybe the galaxy Star Wars takes place in is much smaller then our own.  Galaxies come in different sizes and all we know is that the Star Wars galaxy is far far away.  If it was much smaller then our own that would explain a lot of things including the falcon being fast despite it being too slow to get anywhere in our galaxy in under a few months or years,and all the planets seeming to be so close to each other.

 Where in the movie is it said the ship is unfinished and damaged? It needs a lot of debugging though. It speaks ill of the Starfleet shipyards that the Enterprise A was even launched with that many problems with it's systems. Must have been the low bidder that fitted her out. ;)

 You are right it was bugs not being unfinished.  Still can you blame me for being confused?  I mean the doors didn't even work for crying out loud,it's no wonder my brain remembers it as being unfinished! You know the computer seemed to be working so badly I just assumed it was running off of the 23rd century version of Vista. I mean good night!