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Help: looking for... Waterworld DTS 4.0 original mix (anyone have the DTS CD-Rom?)

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found this little titbit over at LDDB

[](http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/09310/43118/Waterworld-(1995)[](http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/09310/43118/Waterworld-(1995 "www.lddb.com/laserdisc/09310/43118/Waterworld-(1995")[http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/09310/43118/Waterworld-(1995](http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/09310/43118/Waterworld-(1995 "www.lddb.com/laserdisc/09310/43118/Waterworld-(1995"))

A 4.0 channel DTS theatrical mix that was remixed to 5.1 at DTS insistence for the DTS LaserDisc release.

That info was added by the very knowlegable disclord over there

I know the first release DVD had a 5.0 Dolby Digital track but later releases added an upmixed .1 LFE channel

anyone have the DTS CD-Roms for this?

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I've sent out feelers on this.  We'll see what comes back.

:)

 

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still trying to grab the DVD9 of the Ulysses revised Cut of the Extended version as well lol

 

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bigrob said:

found this little titbit over at LDDB

http://www.lddb.com/laserdisc/09310/43118/Waterworld-(1995)

A 4.0 channel DTS theatrical mix that was remixed to 5.1 at DTS insistence for the DTS LaserDisc release.

That info was added by the very knowlegable disclord over there

 

I know the first release DVD had a 5.0 Dolby Digital track but later releases added an upmixed .1 LFE channel

 

anyone have the DTS CD-Roms for this?

 

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hello, hope this helps You, I asked a guy who done the theatrical mix for Waterworld and he wrote this:

"When we mix for a film, we mix in a discrete mode, that being, we monitor without the Dolby or DTS matrix inserted into the monitors. For "Waterworld" we created a 5.1 mix for four formats: Dolby Digital, DTS, and SDDS and the 2 trk LT RT . I have no idea what happens once the project leaves for DVD mastering. It's done somewhere else, and sometimes not even on the studio lot. It's possible that the DVD made into a 5.0 was generated from the 2 trk Print Master."

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bigrob said:

 

anyone have the DTS CD-Roms for this?

Yes.

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All we need now is a good video source~!

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About one year later, I'm afraid that there is still no decent video source available of this movie. The master they used for the Blu-ray is average at best.

But how about the audio part? Has anyone synchronized that 4.0 - mix to the Blu-ray yet? In which way does it sound different compared to the BD-upmix?

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How does the HD DVD compare to the Blu Ray?

Where were you in '77?

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I was the last one who posted on this thread and noone replied anymore so I'm stuck wondering how and where to get the outcome of that project. :(

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little-endian said:

Is there anyone (still) in possession of the theatrical DTS-track and willing to share it with me or tell me how I can get it? I'm aware that in rare cases, some are offered on eBay but it seems to be difficult to 1. get them and 2. convert them to the common 5.1 format since the LFE information is contained in the rear channels and lowpass-filtered and redirected to the subwoofers during playback in the cinema.

Now I see where your snide "I don't like to share" comment comes from in my Alien DC thread.  Impatience will not help anyone here.  Andrea is probably busy as are the rest of us.  This isn't all we do during a day.  Secondly, you could have sent a pm to myself or Andrea, maybe even DoomBot, to inquire about getting this audio.

I have the cinema DTS in Wav64 format that DoomBot sent back to me.  It isn't as simple as you make it sound because on a DTS CD each reel is a separate file that needs to be decoded and then edited to the next reel, THEN a sync is done once all those pieces are in place.

There is also information here that discusses the DTS Whitepaper on the matter and what people have done to achieve their results.

If you would like what I have for Waterworld please pm me.      

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Jetrell Fo said:

Now I see where your snide "I don't like to share" comment comes from in my Alien DC thread.  

Hello Jetrell Fo,

maybe I should have chosen my words more wisely because it seems I unintentionally offended you somehow.

Which is why I want to provide an insight into my actual intentions:

Luckily or unfortunately (from whichever point of view one want to look at it) I’m quite a quality geek, which some might call already obsessive. Hence I’m keen on getting any movie in its highest quality possible (of course I won’t break into Cameron’s home to get the original of Terminator 2, though ;)). While being interesting and somehow like a sport to "hunt down" all those sources for video and audio for a particular movie, it also totally pisses me off that most distributors are too ignorant to listen to their fans. Maybe you have heard about the petition to get the original mono mix of ‘The Terminator’ onto the Blu-ray-release? Had it been included at the very end? Of course not! What an effort to multiplex some low bitrate 1.0 AC3 track into a M2TS-container, absolutely pathetic!

So I’m frustrated on one hand and desperate on the other, knowing that all the good stuff is actually floating around somewhere, but it’s a high effort to come near it. For instance, most tracks, few members here are willing to share, are stored on some more or less obscure one-click-hosting, but there is no dedicated storage where interested people could easily access it. So most goodies are gone faster than one can say “no, that is not piracy cause if the labels would do their damn job right, I could easily buy it!” So I wondered if I could contribute, offer my upload capabilities or get a sleek FTP host up and running in a data center for all of us.

Hence there is neither impatience nor snide (great new vocabulary for my by the way), but only desperation ‘cause I’m afraid the some files will be gone until I can grab them and there are many movies I like to enjoy in their original quality. Sorry if I appeared any other way to you. I might add that English is neither my native language, hence I might not get everything right all the time, misunderstandings occurring.

I already contacted DoomBot regarding Waterworld to give it a try in conjunction with the Blu-ray video (don’t have the HD-DVD yet which is considered to have less DNR).

Furthermore you are probably right - since I haven’t come across any Cinema DTS CD yet, I wasn’t aware that there are separate files for each reel which have to be put together. The extraction of the LFE content as well as the frame rate adjustment is enough effort on its own I suppose.

This isn't all we do during a day.

... at least probably not for living which is actually a pity because if I had an own label, you guys would be exactly the ones I'd hire instead of some idiots messing around with audio tracks which have been okay at the beginning (German language track on the LaserDisc) and sucked at the end (German language track on the Blu-ray). 

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Understood and appreciated.  Thanks for clarifying.

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@little-endian: as Jetrell has written before, we have all a life, even if I must admit I'd be more than happy to work in the video production field... but I digress...

Well, Waterworld is in the usual place (I call it the "project drawer", because I put there all my unfinished works, waiting to have time to work on them, and I have to take a "peek" inside, to remember what is actually in there...); it means it will be made, sooner or later; I must add that probably will be sooner than what I thought at the beginning - weeks, not months or years - so I ask to be patient.

To answer your question from here and Waterworld [spoRv] thread, and also following Jetrell's answer, you could always get the Cinema DTS but it has some flaws: no .1 channel, slightly out of sync (at least for the HD-DVD, but BD should be the same), inverted phase... I solved these issues, so again, you have to "only" to wait... (^^,)

Sadly my projects are lost due to an HDD crash… 😦 | [Fundamental Collection] thread | blog.spoRv.com | fan preservation forum: fanres.com

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I checked this mix in another thread I am sure and the info is identical to the HD-DVD and LD mixes 

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I had read the others threads as well, but I wonder what you mean with "the info". Are you referring to the assumption that the so-called 4.0 mix is actually a 5.1 one (5.0 in terms of the technical Cinema DTS procedure) or that the mix provided by the Laserdics- or BD-releases is the same as the Cinema DTS one?

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little-endian said:

I had read the others threads as well, but I wonder what you mean with "the info". Are you referring to the assumption that the so-called 4.0 mix is actually a 5.1 one (5.0 in terms of the technical Cinema DTS procedure) or that the mix provided by the Laserdics- or BD-releases is the same as the Cinema DTS one?

I believe people are talking about a theatrical mix, not laserdisc or bluray.