Harmy's THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK Despecialized Edition HD - V2.0 - MKV & AVCHD (Released) — Page 71

Can I ask what that means? Painting them out invisibly?

dbG33K said:

Can I ask what that means? Painting them out invisibly?

 Duplicating the coloured pixels that are next to the rounded corners.

I can't believe people are seriously advocating a painstaking, time-consuming and ultimately artificial process just so they can pretend that those few pixels haven't been permanently removed.

Hyperbolic analogy time: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ship_of_Theseus

I vote E : keep the round corners and release a V2.6 of Star Wars and the future V2.0 of Jedi just the same, so that the whole trilogy looks the same. And, why not a V2.1 of Jedi without round corners, since you probably have not rounded them yet, you can round them afterwards.

Jonno said:

I can't believe people are seriously advocating a painstaking, time-consuming and ultimately artificial process just so they can pretend that those few pixels haven't been permanently removed.

Actually that's what most of the Despecialized Edition is about. You do realize that the rounded corners are originally just in a few shots, so removing them is just the same as removing any other unwanted artifacts (or, oh no, SE elements!) from shots.

Harmy said:

CatBus said:

AntcuFaalb said:

FWIW: It should still be possible to implement the rounded corners as a graphical subtitle track, as Laserschwert said.

Yeah, I could throw one of these together pretty trivially, I believe, if there's interest.  The problem, of course, is that you couldn't use this overlay and also use graphical subtitles at the same time.

 Yeah, that's exactly the problem with that solution.

I think it might work with a Blu-ray image, as a permanent menu with no buttons.

I say keep them, because the complaining was really stupid and petty.

chyron8472 said:

I don't currently have the WP. And not that I actually care about a couple of pixels, but can someone post a screenshot of exactly what everyone is complaining about?

Really the biggest issue I had with v1.0 is the bleeding/crushed reds from light sources.

 Check this comparison gallery : http://postimg.org/gallery/4dk3t698/

In my opinion you will notice the rounded corners only if you search for them. Just open shots from version 1 and 2 in separate tabs and switch between them

C'mon, that's ridiculous. I think those rounded corners were a (so minor) bad choice, but it's so small ! Think about all that work to make this amazing 2.0 version !

Harmy, I think the right choice is to release this version with rounded corners. And if, after releasing RotJ DE V2.0 you don't know what to do with your spare time, you could work on a ESB 2.1 without rounded corners :) But you shouldn't be frustrated by doing this again because of eight pixels !

Is there really an occasion where someone needs subtitles and the overlay for rounded corners at the same time? TESB doesn't have any burnt-in subtitles, every existing GOUT-synched language track can be added to the file and everybody speaks English anyway. I heavily oppose the idea of not removing the rounded corners because they are unnatural for HD-formats that already have been cut and, what is most important, because it's an irreversible decision once the project files don't exist anymore. On the other side, saving the rectangular picture is not an irreversible decision. And even if we are arguing about few pixels, they are quiet noticable, especially during the Hoth scenes. I've talked to some people and your extra effort to recreate the rectangular picture is very much appreciated, Harmy.

If you'd left the rounded corners in, that would have been your decision and I'd have been fine with it for such otherwise great results.  The thing that really surprised me the most about the whole thing was that you put the corners in early on rather than doing it globally at the final rendering stages (which would have made things easy to undo if people didn't like it as you'd feared all along while doing it).  So it makes me quite glad that it is starting to sound less difficult to fix than you'd originally feared.  It was a fun idea, but ultimately, it wouldn't be consistent with SW v2.5 and somewhat goes against the general idea here of not allowing changes from the original for the sake of change.

In fairness, you might remember I lobbied hard against hardsubbing Greedo, but I wouldn't have complained much about this decision, and definitely would not have supported the idea of bumping you down to a mere fan edit status over it.  Still, thank you for deciding to go through the effort to restore the corners, thereby restoring peace to the galaxy.

Harmy said:

Well, I found out that it may not be that hard after all - a lot of the shots done had the round corners but that was before I decided to tighten the cropping by one pixel on each side (this was done for technical reasons - to hide some artifacts), so when this new cropping is applied to those shots using a matte with rectangular corners, the rounded corners are all but gone - only in the upper left corner, there's a tiny trace of the rounded corner left, which shouldn't prove distracting when switching from/to a shot with the rounded corners removed completely.

So you were always going to add a 1-pixel wide black matte over the entire image to hide artifacts? That's fine by me, but were the people who were throwing a fit over the rounded corners aware of this? If so, that's hilarious because it will make those few dozen pixels lost in the corners look minuscule by comparison, as that 1-pixel wide matte will cover up literally thousands of pixels!

Wow! Some people REALLY don't like their corners round, I guess! :)

Rounded corners or not, I'm still looking forward to this release as if it were coming to theaters for the first time. I had the opportunity to watch Harmy's Star Wars Despecialized Edition v.2.5 on an Oculus Rift Devkit 1, and even though the limited resolution of the headset kind of defeats the purpose of watching an HD version of Star Wars, it still let me do something I thought I'd never get to do--watch the original version of Star Wars on a (virtualized) big screen. When I finally receive an Oculus Rift Devkit 2, this version of Empire Strikes Back is the first movie I'm going to watch in it. Thanks, Harmy, for making it possible for me to enjoy Star Wars again! :D

Harmy said:

Verboten said:

I'll try this again.

Does this scene not look like this to anyone else?

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Harmys-THE-EMPIRE-STRIKES-BACK-Despecialized-Edition-HD-DVD9-AVCHD-and-SD-NTSC-DVD5-AVAILABLE-NOW-Read-1st-post/post/713180/#TopicPost713180

http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Harmys-THE-EMPIRE-STRIKES-BACK-Despecialized-Edition-HD-DVD9-AVCHD-and-SD-NTSC-DVD5-AVAILABLE-NOW-Read-1st-post/post/713184/#TopicPost713184

 Ah, thank you for responding.