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Team Negative1 - The Empire Strikes Back 1980 - 35mm Theatrical Version (Released) — Page 13

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I hate my life until moments like this. This is probably the easiest example of how hard it is to get ESB's color right. The carbon freezing chamber is a delicate wash of orange with only a hinting or red against grey/black metal and soft dark blue against black voids.

God, this looks good. And with the last clip, I jumped up and shouted in excitement when I saw the matte lines on Luke's X-Wing.

We sound nuts. But in a good way. ;)

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Re: "Hinting of red", from what prints I've seen in person, I'm getting an impression that red was a much less "common" color on 70s/80s film prints. eems that, for example, (white) skin tones trended peach with just a hint of pink, and fire/explosions tended more yellow-orange in bright areas and primary/burnt-orange in dark areas. When there WAS red, it was usually in specifically RED objects, or red gel lighting, and it often looked extremely primary and dense. In 80s prints I've seen projected, these reds would look almost as if the red dye had been "injected" into the film stock, or plate-printed onto it like it were a photo print or magazine. (I've even perceived white "haloes" around primary reds on at least one occasion, akin to the film frames in my early Cinefex back issues.)

For a specific example, I was just watching the modern "teal-orange" transfer of Lethal Weapon on HBO. When Riggs and Murtaugh are in Murtaugh's living room in the dark next to the Christmas tree, with the red lighting, it's full of subtle shades; however, on the original 1987 35mm print I saw last Christmas, it instead looked like the red parts of the scene had been BATHED in red dye. A lot of fine facial details were blotted out by the reds, THAT'S how saturated primary red could be in 80s timing/print stock. I've seen similar characteristics in 35mm prints of Legend, The Running Man, and other films from the era.

Getting off my tangent, if it's like other 80s prints I've seen, I'd think there shouldn't be much red in the oranges, but that stuff like tiny red background lights on the Star Destroyer bridge or in the background of the reactor core scene would probably appear as pronounced fire-engine/blood-red pinpoints.

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With the interest in the 'unzoomed' shots mentioned from other posts, we'll be posting some of those scenes, to show what they originally looked like.

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The pics on the previous few pages are lovely. Great grain, width of contrast, and NO sign of teal-orange! :)

Only issues I can see are too bright and too pink.

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Each time I watch these clips, I get disappointed when it reaches the end. I just want them to go on until the end of the movie.

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I love the "organic" look of it, much better than the polished washed out look of the blurays

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Wow that looks good. I get such warm happy feelings every time I see updates to these threads. Between this and Harmy's work, I no longer have that awful gut wrenching feeling of dread when I think about the state of Star Wars. It's safe. The materials in the hands of Lucasfilm/Disney may or may not be safe now, but The OT is safe. Thanks to fans. It's awesome.

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The Shade said:

Each time I watch these clips, I get disappointed when it reaches the end. I just want them to go on until the end of the movie.

 I know what you mean =(

...maybe if we splice all of the clips together... >:)

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We will post a longer clip, once we are done posting the segments. The reason for showing the duel and the carbon chamber, were for comparisons with Harmys version, and the interest in them.

We will go back to earlier sequences after this. And hopefully, new clips from a much better print.

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THANKS!   Can't wait for the longer clip.

Is there any way you can round off the corners?  (J/K!)

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MrPib said:

THANKS!   Can't wait for the longer clip.

Is there any way you can round off the corners?  (J/K!)

They are originally rounded in places, but we've cropped those parts out, along with more of the damage.

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Thanks for replying. I was trying to make a little joke referring to the 10 pages of angst over the rounded corners in Harmy's TESB.  A *very* little joke, apparently.

I can't wait for the day that I can show my kids the SW trilogy the way they're supposed to look!  Thanks to the team for all of this work, and for the updates and samples.

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MrPib said:

Thanks for replying. I was trying to make a little joke referring to the 10 pages of angst over the rounded corners in Harmy's TESB.  A *very* little joke, apparently.

 We know. But people have to realize there will always be some picture loss regardless. The cropping is there for a reason.

Here is a clip of Luke in Cloud City, and Boba Fett.

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http://www.dailymotion.com/video/k16YNiauTySkOS8gQA6

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You know, those theatrical prints have a far different feeling than all those home video releases. I really enjoy that. :)

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DAMN that looks good!  Takes me right back to opening day, and realizing that I had yet another 3 year wait to see how the story ends...

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I must say that the colors are very good. I think if this scene needs color correction, then it's only minor.

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We have sent Harmy the credits for use in a later version of his edition.

We think you will like the results.

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Although Empire is still aways off from being completed. We are expecting a few new prints with less fade, and good color reproductions.

We feel, this will lead to the best color representation of the movie on hand, and we won't have to guess at what scenes looked like.

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just a question, couldnt the PQ be better if you aim for a size rather towards a BD50 than a BD25 or as additional offer? at least I would be interested it that, those 25GB more dont matter to me at all. Its all about having the best 1080p quality available.