It would have been much cooler if C-3PO and R2-D2 first meet Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan on the Trade Federation ship before landing on Naboo. It would fit the original concept for 3PO and R2, it would make 3PO and R2 part of the entire saga, Anakin wouldn't build 3PO, and 3PO could replace Jar Jar.
If Threepio had been Padme's butler from the start and R2 had been a Pit-Droid at the Mos Espa arena, that'd be about right for their character's established behaviours.
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Climactic clash of olde beardy and young curly would surely have painted a more pleasing picture for thy eyes had a single volcano been the locale? Too much in the way of wide net casting maketh the end of episode the third feel... impersonal. One planet with our heroes and villains spreadeth out across it perhaps? When the stories connecteth the excitement increaseth too, episode the sixth ably demonstrateth that at least!
Not so much wrong as just a little "huh?"
There was no explaination for Ben and Yoda being in hiding rather than helping the rebs.
Maybe a quick expo drop about their power would be sensed if they came out and were active.. Exposing the rebels.
Well, one thing does come to mind and surprisingly, no one seems to bring this up: the opening of Episode III (aka the battle over Coruscant).
Think about it. This gives the perfect set up for the fall of the Jedi and the rise of the Empire: The chancellor was captured, the Separatists invaded the the capital of the Galactic Republic and the Republic's fleet was probably put into disarray after that battle. Instead of looking at any repercussions of this, what we got was the rest of Episode III.
What I would do is keep the opening (barring some small exceptions like Dooku's death), but show the aftermath. Here, the public is paranoid about another attack and distrusts the Jedi for not foreseeing the invasion in the first place. The Republic wants to bring the full fury of the Republic's military on the Separatists, but the Jedi advise caution, creating a barrier of mistrust between the two. Anakin is caught in the middle as he sympathizes with the Republic and wants to end the war.
Palpatine would use the situation to strengthen his grip on the galaxy and have Anakin slowly turn to the Dark Side. The Jedi, seeing past Palpatine's plans, would try to stop him. They fail, of course, and the Jedi are hunted down. The movie would end with the duel between Obi-Wan and Anakin, now christened Darth Vader (not as fancy as the one we got, but still epic).
Screw lightsabers, I’ll stick with regular swords. At least they won’t blow up in my face like this franchise has.
As someone that likes the PT more than most I have to honestly say that the new trilogy needs to stick to the original's concepts of the Force, and get back to telling a swashbuckling space adventure. And don't make it quite as kid friendly as TPM or mention midi-chlorians. I honestly disliked the whole midi-chlorian thing more than Jar Jar.
I am what all Jedi fear to become, and what all Sith wish to be. A GOD!
Number-based marketing. I much preferred the title-based marketing of the OOT and the marketing of Star Wars as "Star Wars" rather than as "Episode IV: A New Hope."
Title-based marketing = yes please.
Maybe they'll do that after the heavy "number" focus of the PT - and we all know they're trying to avoid association with those films.
I hate how the prequels made fans think that Star Wars = Jedi vs. Sith.
darklordoftech said:
I hate how the prequels made fans think that Star Wars = Jedi vs. Sith.
SW: Jedi trains Jedi to defeat Sith. Sith kills Jedi
ESB: Dead Jedi sends Jedi to see other Jedi so he can battle Sith. Sith spends movie hunting Jedi and has phone call with other Sith
ROTJ: Jedi battles Sith and Sith. Sith dies, Sith becomes Jedi and Jedi waves goodbye to dead Jedi, Jedi and Jedi (And his sister was a Jedi)
Yes it was all the PT ;-)
(Only joking, I know what you mean... more blaster wielding space pirates!)
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Ryan McAvoy said:
darklordoftech said:
I hate how the prequels made fans think that Star Wars = Jedi vs. Sith.
SW: Jedi trains Jedi to defeat Sith. Sith kills Jedi
ESB: Dead Jedi sends Jedi to see other Jedi so he can battle Sith. Sith spends movie hunting Jedi and has phone call with other Sith
ROTJ: Jedi battles Sith and Sith. Sith dies, Sith becomes Jedi and Jedi waves goodbye to dead Jedi, Jedi and Jedi (And his sister was a Jedi)
A lot of those events weren't the main plot and Obi-Wan trained Luke to destroy the Death Star, not to defeat Vader or Palps, and only in ROTJ is Luke told that he must confront Vader, and althought the screenplays and novelizations called Vader "Dark Lord of the Sith", that was unimportant enough that the word "Sith" is never spoken in the entire OOT.
I like the prequels, but found TPM a little too kid friendly. Also, Jar Jar and midi-chlorians are horrid. I want the ST to have a good balance between the fun adventure feel of ANH and the darker tones of ESB and ROTS. And no mentioning midi-chlorians.
I am what all Jedi fear to become, and what all Sith wish to be. A GOD!
To add to my earlier posts, what really drives me crazy is the fans who think that it isn't Star Wars without Sith. I can garantee you that Star Wars would have been just as popular if Vader wasn't part of an organization called the Sith.
Giving Yoda and Palpatine lightsabers and giving Dooku Force Lightning were major no-nos. Yoda and Palpatine shouldn't need lightsabers and Dooku using Force Lightning makes Palpatine's use of it less impressive.
JediZombie said:
midi-chlorians are horrid
I would say that midichlorians are the worst aspect of the prequels because they change the rules of the Star Wars galaxy. "Do you want to learn how to use The Force?" is replaced with "Are you Force-sensitive?"
darklordoftech said:
JediZombie said:
midi-chlorians are horrid
I would say that midichlorians are the worst aspect of the prequels because they change the rules of the Star Wars galaxy. "Do you want to learn how to use The Force?" is replaced with "Are you Force-sensitive?"
Completely agree. Midi-chlorians are the worst thing no only to happen to the PT, but to Star Wars as a whole.
I am what all Jedi fear to become, and what all Sith wish to be. A GOD!
darklordoftech said:
JediZombie said:
midi-chlorians are horrid
I would say that midichlorians are the worst aspect of the prequels because they change the rules of the Star Wars galaxy. "Do you want to learn how to use The Force?" is replaced with "Are you Force-sensitive?"
Sadly, this idea isn't new--it shows up as far back as Splinter of the Mind's Eye, where Princess Leia complains about not being Force-sensitive.
“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”
Inconsistencies. Did R2 really need to fly?
darklordoftech said:
Giving Yoda and Palpatine lightsabers and giving Dooku Force Lightning were major no-nos. Yoda and Palpatine shouldn't need lightsabers and Dooku using Force Lightning makes Palpatine's use of it less impressive.
Yes I agree, especially with the lightsabers. Yoda never should've had a lightsaber at all; he didn't even train Luke with a lightsaber and told him not to take the weapons with him in the cave. Giving them lightsabers just dumbed down the characters and gave Lucas an excuse to do more lightsaber fights. Also, on theforce.net a forum poster said he hoped the OUT was never released, and that Disney would go back and replace yoda with CGI, and add a scene where Yoda trains Luke (played by a stand in) and teaches him how to lightsaber fight, not even joking (there's a reason I never looked at theforce.net again).
gizzy2000 said:
Also, on theforce.net a forum poster said he hoped the OUT was never released, and that Disney would go back and replace yoda with CGI, and add a scene where Yoda trains Luke (played by a stand in) and teaches him how to lightsaber fight, not even joking (there's a reason I never looked at theforce.net again).
There are two main types of posters who frequent the TFN forums = fundamentalist Lucas worshippers who aren't really fans of Star Wars itself and fans who are largely indifferent to the OOT/SE debate. Due to this, it's pretty fruitless bothering to post of their forums; there's just no fun trying to have a discussion with people who don't care about your opinions or are completely hostile to them.
Of course, there is a small minority of posters there who are anti-PT/pro-OOT, but they are far too few in number to make any real impact on the overall ideological slant of the forums.
DuracellEnergizer said:
There are two main types of posters who frequent the TFN forums = fundamentalist Lucas worshippers who aren't really fans of Star Wars itself and fans who are largely indifferent to the OOT/SE debate. Due to this, it's pretty fruitless bothering to post of their forums; there's just no fun trying to have a discussion with people who don't care about your opinions or are completely hostile to them.
Yes, I definitely noticed the Lucas worshipers (I only went to this site once, and never again for obvious reasons) and I also think TFN is actually a big misrepresentation of what most Star Wars fans are like. OT.com obviously is a place for people who love Star Wars, but are reasonable enough to point out flaws and call foul when Lucas tried to destroy the franchise; TFN on the other hand seems like a place where complete fanatics post about how perfect everything with the Star Wars name on it is, and how Lucas is a god who can't make mistakes and had the whole "Saga" planned out for decades. Not saying there aren't plenty respectful people there, but I certainly didn't see any of them in the thread I looked at.
I should note that my impression is based on one thread, but the thread was just about whether or not Disney should release the OT, and it was full of angry disrespectful people. Maybe I just saw a bad page, but it was definitely a turn off
gizzy2000 said:
darklordoftech said:
Giving Yoda and Palpatine lightsabers and giving Dooku Force Lightning were major no-nos. Yoda and Palpatine shouldn't need lightsabers and Dooku using Force Lightning makes Palpatine's use of it less impressive.
Yes I agree, especially with the lightsabers. Yoda never should've had a lightsaber at all; he didn't even train Luke with a lightsaber and told him not to take the weapons with him in the cave. Giving them lightsabers just dumbed down the characters and gave Lucas an excuse to do more lightsaber fights. Also, on theforce.net a forum poster said he hoped the OUT was never released, and that Disney would go back and replace yoda with CGI, and add a scene where Yoda trains Luke (played by a stand in) and teaches him how to lightsaber fight, not even joking (there's a reason I never looked at theforce.net again).
I personally prefer to believe Luke took swordfighting lessons in between SW and TESB.
You know, my favorite duel in the series is the one between Obi-Wan and Vader (and no not the one in Revenge of the Sith). The duel with the "worst" fight choreography is better than any of the duels in the prequels in my opinion because they actually look like they're trying to cut each other. Not to mention the fight is more emotionally involving because by that point in the movie the audience really cares about Obi-Wan, and doesn't want to see him killed. I hope Ep. VII doesn't make the lightsaber fights so pointlessly fancy; I don't have a problem with rehearsed choreography, but in the prequels it really seemed like whoever wrote those scenes thought the goal of a sword fight was to clash sabers with your opponent rather than try to hurt them. The lightsaber choreography should be more like the ones in Jedi and Empire: realistic and believable.
Speaking of lightsaber duels, the OT built up to its duels and established connections between the duelists. In the prequels, disconnected characters duel just because they're on opposite sides of a war and/or are Jedi and Sith.