Hello
I would like to ask a couple of questions about movies.
What did Vaider actually do to Princess Leia in the episode four when trying to get the location of the rebels?
What do you think of quite harmless little ewoks causing so many trouble for the imperial troops?
What was the actual cause of death of Darth Vaider?
I have heard that there is a sort of official canonical frequently asked questions base. Where can I find it?
Thank you!
1. Forced her to put the lotion on its skin or else she'd get the hose again
2. I think such short, stubby creatures could never have evolved to live in the trees
3. A broken heart
1. He interrogated her of course with the torture droid.
2. Well Ewoks were more or less a distraction in ROTJ.
3. Vader died because Emperor damaged his respiratory equipment with force lightning.
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That is the exact question. What was this droid capable of in general and what did it actually do to Leia?
I think that the ewoks are just way too harmless to defeat a few squads of well trained military humans. But, if somebody whose quantity is five time yours suddenly throws everything they have on you from an ambush... Who knows...
I personally suppose that in general some of his essential life support stuff was severely damaged... Do you think that his hand was completely artificial or there was something left of his own hand inside under the glove?
Sorry, I do not quite understand. What test?
Thank you!
Lest ye forget, his human hand cleaved clean from his body by the duplicitous Dooku in episode the second. More machine than man in the end but enough man remaineth in his soul to overcome the dark side and bringeth balance once more.
You shouldn't put that "eth" third-person singular present active ending on an infinitive like "bring" in that last sentence of yours.
Or rather, I should say:
Thou shouldst not put that "eth" third-person singular present active ending on an infinitive like "bring" in that last sentence of thine, sirrah.
“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”
I shall do as I pleaseth. As Ewoks of the forest moon did surely prevaileth over an Empire's mighty force despite small stature and copious fur so shall Olde Wan overcome pedantic posters such as you, learned sir!
To the topic at hand or away with ye!
SW1980 said:
I think that the ewoks are just way too harmless to defeat a few squads of well trained military humans.
Harmless? They successfully captured and were going to eat our heroes until they thought Threepio was a wrathful god.
Who knows how many scouts they devoured over the course of the construction of the Second Death Star.
The torture droid has something referred to in the dialogue as a mind probe.
There is also a syringe (Made in Britain no less) so it would seem that injected her with a drug to brake down her resistance (truth serums and forced drug scenes in movies were very big in the seventies) and then used it's scanners as some kind of lie detector.
I'd imagine other inducement techniques were programmed into the thing.
You can listen to what happened behind that closed door here and here.
In the third draft script Lucas actually wrote that Leia's screams are audible after the door slams down in the exterior shot of the cell. That detail disappeared in the later revisions; maybe it was too macabre.
The same script later describes her as "bloody and mutilated" when Luke and Han enter her cell, and she's unconscious, suspended upside-down in the air by some sort of electronic restraint. She doesn't seem to be too seriously harmed though, as she wakes up a couple scenes later and starts taking charge of the rescue as in the final film.
Lucas had a tendency to reuse language from earlier draft scripts even when it no longer made sense. The "bloody and mutilated" descriptor was originally applied in the second draft to Deak Starkiller, Luke's brother, who was so gravely injured that his life was in serious danger, and he remained unconscious for the rest of the film.
Still, Leia being unconscious in her cell makes more sense than an idea that appeared in one outline. Namely, Leia refuses to go along when Luke and Han rescue her, as she suspects Vader is trying to implicate her in a bogus escape attempt. Han doesn't want to take the time to argue with her, so he punches her in the face and knocks her out, after which Chewbacca carries her.
That idea is actually recycled from the very first draft, where it's Annikin Starkiller who punches Princess Leia Aquilae. By the end of the script those two are fully in love. So, weirdly, that outline with Han beating Leia up may be the moment where Lucas started to consider them seriously as an item.
“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”
I have read those early drafts some time ago and for me the final one makes the most sense. Why would the the imperials continue making something like that with Leia after they understood that she will never tell the truth and there is no way to make her in such a short time that this information would still be current?
Why would not she go with somebody actually claiming to be trying to rescue her from there? Vaider was going to kill her anyway and she understood that.
Also note that in latest drafts including the final one Leia was never physically harmed in any way by anyone.
The expanded universe materials are very strange for me in that they state the interrogation droids of all kinds, at least the imperial ones, were designed specifically to extract as much information as possible with as little physical and psychological damage as possible and in the next line they say that those things had bone fragmenters and even carried firearms, sorry, blasters, of course. Does not that seem at least a bit irrational? Did you ever see a blaster on this thing? Did you ever see anything but a syringe and a single arm that I suppose was designed to hold ones hand firmly while injecting something on this thing? I think its main purpose was still a sort lie detector and a medical assistant.
Is the radio drama explanation considered the canonical one?
Also that dialog from the drama lets us think that the droid was officially illegal.
The fact that ewoks were going to eat somebody is not the same that they were good military able to effectively take down imperial stormtrooper squads and armored vehicles for me.
ATMachine said:
In the third draft script Lucas actually wrote that Leia's screams are audible after the door slams down in the exterior shot of the cell. That detail disappeared in the later revisions; maybe it was too macabre.
The same script later describes her as "bloody and mutilated" when Luke and Han enter her cell, and she's unconscious, suspended upside-down in the air by some sort of electronic restraint. She doesn't seem to be too seriously harmed though, as she wakes up a couple scenes later and starts taking charge of the rescue as in the final film.
Lucas had a tendency to reuse language from earlier draft scripts even when it no longer made sense. The "bloody and mutilated" descriptor was originally applied in the second draft to Deak Starkiller, Luke's brother, who was so gravely injured that his life was in serious danger, and he remained unconscious for the rest of the film.
Still, Leia being unconscious in her cell makes more sense than an idea that appeared in one outline. Namely, Leia refuses to go along when Luke and Han rescue her, as she suspects Vader is trying to implicate her in a bogus escape attempt. Han doesn't want to take the time to argue with her, so he punches her in the face and knocks her out, after which Chewbacca carries her.
That idea is actually recycled from the very first draft, where it's Annikin Starkiller who punches Princess Leia Aquilae. By the end of the script those two are fully in love. So, weirdly, that outline with Han beating Leia up may be the moment where Lucas started to consider them seriously as an item.
Shmi ends up found bloodied and restrained in AOTC so Lucas eventually does this to a female character but instead of evil Imperialists it's a rehash of the cruel natives trope from Westerns which is a bit of a shame racism wise as well as sexism wise.
Given Lucas's love of Kurosawa movies and Westerns, I suspect that if Lucas had gone through with the bloodied-up Leia idea, he would've modeled the makeup on how Toshiro Mifune looks in Yojimbo after the gangsters capture him and beat him up, or Clint Eastwood in the equivalent scene in A Fistful of Dollars.
That is to say, Leia would have hair half pulled out of its buns, a bloody nose and an eye swollen shut. Not a pretty picture, but it would certainly make her all the more badass when she took charge of the rescue party.
“That Darth Vader, man. Sure does love eating Jedi.”
Tyrphanax said:
Are you cheating on a test?
There's no point continuing the thread, nothing will beat this.
And what about my posts?
SW1980 said:
Hello
I would like to ask a couple of questions about movies.
What did Vaider actually do to Princess Leia in the episode four when trying to get the location of the rebels?
What do you think of quite harmless little ewoks causing so many trouble for the imperial troops?
What was the actual cause of death of Darth Vaider?
I have heard that there is a sort of official canonical frequently asked questions base. Where can I find it?
Thank you!
You said "A couple of questions about movies". Please specify which two you'd like answered ;-)
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I could just say a few questions and it would mean absolutely no difference
Currently I mean the questions in the post number fourteen.
To answer those, canon is what you make it.SW1980 said:
Please, I am serious with that
I could just say a few questions and it would mean absolutely no difference
Currently I mean the questions in the post number fourteen.
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Sorry?
Did not quite get what do you mean
I would like to know what most people consider canon
Most people consider only the movies canon. A growing number of people on this site only view the 1977 "Star Wars" as canon. One of the moderators only sees the Star Wars Radio Drama as canon.
So, canon is whatever you want it to be. I want to free you from this burden of "canon, not-canon".
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Personally, at this time I only consider a personal fanedit of the OT which exists only within my mind, my own currently-under-development PT rewrite, the first and third Indiana Jones movies, Willow, and the director's cut of Dark City completely canon. Of course, there also a lot more stuff out there which I consider deuterocanonical and apocryphal (ie. not completely canon but not completely non-canon, either).
Perhaps you should just read through these threads for opinions on personal canon:
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/Whats-your-Personal-Canon/topic/13172/
http://originaltrilogy.com/forum/topic.cfm/What-do-think-of-the-EU-and-what-do-you-accept-as-Star-Wars-canon/topic/16048/
I usually study a few different sources and then pick the explanation that I like the most for those things that are not shown directly in the original movies.
And still what do you think about the question regarding that case with Leia and Vaider? That is the only question from my original post that still did not get a well defined answer.