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It's responses like this that help me better understand the basic reasoning behind posts by thejediknighthusezni. 

Please explain, because I don't see how anyone could understand his ravings.

They are not ravings ..... it's frustration ..... it's wondering how far equality has to go to be satisfied or is it's requirements infinite. 

Because equal rights (like the right to not be stoned to death) are soooooo frustrating.

TV's Frink said:

Does anyone here follow the Koran?

 So you admit that Bingo is just complaining to annoy people here?

RicOlie_2 said:

I tried following one once, but it didn't move and I got bored, so I stopped after a while.

;)

On a more serious note, I'm disgusted at the bigotry being displayed towards Trinity Western's law school.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/lawyers+vote+overwhelmingly+against+Trinity+Western+school+amid+claims+discrimination/9926606/story.html#ixzz34NU8NWxh

It's a Christian law school--should they not be allowed to dictate their own rules? They aren't even discriminating against gays like people are claiming because the same rules apply to heterosexuals. I don't know how they enforce their rules which apply to the most private part of people's lives, but they should be allowed to do so. If people have a problem with that, they can go to a different school. I can't believe that people don't recognize that they are opposing freedom of religion when they oppose the rules upheld by the law school, but think they're doing a service to "gay rights" instead.

/rant

 Is this law school a privately owned school?  Do they receive any goverment fundiing?

TheBoost said:

thejediknighthusezni said:

TheBoost said:

http://www.slate.com/blogs/outward/2014/06/11/oklahoma_tea_party_candidate_scott_esk_supports_stoning_gay_people_to_death.html

Finally, some honesty from a politician. 

(for the record, not agreeing, but it's nice to hear them come out and say it, not just imply it)

        Well, a RADICAL HATE-MONGERING rag says he wants that in spite of his claiming "he doesn't remember" (as the rag put it).

        That's good enough for me. Obviously, homosexuals must do EVEN MORE to destroy everything normal people value in life. Their children must be raped and defiled and have their sexuality destroyed in front of the faces of these evil and vile normies. They must be made to choke and call it wonderfull "progress" as their lives are crushed and they SUFFER AND DIE!!!!!!

       The herd needs it's culling anyway. How will the homosexuals be galvinized to do the job without pretending to believe that there is an epidemic of horrible violence against them?

      Actual severe violence for no other reason than hate for an innocent homosexual is more rare than man-bites-dog. This is why things like the Wyoming attack become national news. It turns out it was about drugs. The normies must NEVER be mindful that TENS OF MILLIONS of children and confused teens(regressed children) are violently crushed while the hate-mongering media desperately scours a nation of 300 million to find just one case that can be twisted into "only because the innocent dear was gay".

     Do you know how many of the rapes of females are commited by males who had their sexuality destroyed by homosexaul predators? There's an epedemic!

     It's the only way. Our elite masters must have their utterly depraved shock troops.

    

 My personal opinion is that you're a troll who takes this as some kind of performance art. On the small chance I'm wrong, do you intentionally try to come off like some twitching lunatic writing on the wall with your own feces? Because even trying to parse your meaning gives me a headache.

 truth ^

Warbler said:

TV's Frink said:

Does anyone here follow the Koran?

 So you admit that Bingo is just complaining to annoy people here?

 I'm saying that what you said is irrelevant unless someone here follows the Koran's teachings.

TV's Frink said:

Because equal rights (like the right to not be stoned to death) are soooooo frustrating.

 Frink, in all fairness, please remember Jetrell Fo said this:

Jetrell Fo said:

I have not now, nor will I ever, condone such acts towards anyone. 

TV's Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV's Frink said:

Does anyone here follow the Koran?

 So you admit that Bingo is just complaining to annoy people here?

 I'm saying that what you said is irrelevant unless someone here follows the Koran's teachings.

 and I am saying unless he is just doing this to annoy the people here, he should complain about the anti-gay stuff in the Koran as much as he does the anti-gay stuff in the Bible.    The fact that no one here follows the Koran is irrelevant.

RicOlie_2 said:

TheBoost said:

 

 I understand the reasoning, but I disagree with it. It's a Christian law school, and it prohibits sex outside of marriage. Period. Marriage in the Christian religion (aside from some more liberal denominations) is, by definition, between heterosexuals. It isn't discrimination, it's just what we consider marriage to be. Also, people choose to have sex, they don't choose to be black or white. The rules don't prohibit homosexuals from attending the school--that would indeed be wrongful discrimination--they just prohibit sex outside of marriage for staff/students in attendance.

 Again, not claiming to know anything about Canadian law, education, or customs (don't they have some kind of tribal vendetta system?) but "It's not discrimination, it's just discrimination" doesn't hold water.

The house I used to live in, on the deed said "This house cannot be sold to Jews." That's not discrimination. The same rules applied to non-Jews. Is that discrimination?

When we were beating Native Americans who spoke their own language or practiced their own religion in forced boarding schools, those rules against speaking and practicing also applied to white Christians. Was that discrimination?

If the issue is "This Christian school has the right to discriminate" then that's a different question. But let's not do some mental hoop jumping to act like it's not discrimination.

Warbler said:

TV's Frink said:

Because equal rights (like the right to not be stoned to death) are soooooo frustrating.

 Frink, in all fairness, please remember Jetrell Fo said this:

Jetrell Fo said:

I have not now, nor will I ever, condone such acts towards anyone. 

 

 Then pehaps he shouldn't agree with lunatics when they act lunatic-y.

Warbler said:

TV's Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV's Frink said:

Does anyone here follow the Koran?

 So you admit that Bingo is just complaining to annoy people here?

 I'm saying that what you said is irrelevant unless someone here follows the Koran's teachings.

 and I am saying unless he is just doing this to annoy the people here, he should complain about the anti-gay stuff in the Koran as much as he does the anti-gay stuff in the Bible.    The fact that no one here follows the Koran is irrelevant.

 I don't think Bingo (or most of us) live in a world where the Quran is effecting us daily. We could go on about the horrors done by Muslims, Buddhists, Shinto practitioners, the indigenous religions of Tonga, or the state religion of North Korea.

But that's not Bingo's job. 

Feel free to bring something up, and we might all join in, but NOT talking about the Quran doesn't somehow excuse the Bible of anyhing.

Ryan McAvoy said:

..and while I'm on that  subject, saying there is "anti-gay stuff in the Koran" isn't a defense of what it says in The Bible.

 Exactly.

Ryan McAvoy said:

Warbler said:

TV's Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV's Frink said:

Does anyone here follow the Koran?

 So you admit that Bingo is just complaining to annoy people here?

 I'm saying that what you said is irrelevant unless someone here follows the Koran's teachings.

 and I am saying unless he is just doing this to annoy the people here, he should complain about the anti-gay stuff in the Koran as much as he does the anti-gay stuff in the Bible.    The fact that no one here follows the Koran is irrelevant.

It's not prejudice against Christians.

I believe it is.  I believe Bingo hates Christianity.  I believe that due to all the prejudice he has suffered, he has developed some of his own.

If you are born and raised in a country that indoctrinates you in the stories of the Bible from the earliest possible age. Then you are obviously going to know a lot about what it says in the Bible, wether you want to know or not.

The Quran, The Torah and The Rigveda may well say far worse things than The Bible but my (and I suspect Bingowing's knowledge, sorry if I'm speaking out of turn?) is rather more limited when it comes to those texts, since we had to choose to find out about them (My Grade-A in GCSE-RE not withstanding LOL).

I am not so sure Bingo knowledge of the Koran the is as limited as yours(no offense intended),  he holds himself to be a pretty smart fellow and knows alot about religions he is not a member of.

...and while I'm on that  subject, saying there is "anti-gay stuff in the Koran" isn't a defense of what it says in The Bible.

 I was not using it as a defense of the anti-gay stuff in the Bible.

TheBoost said:

Feel free to bring something up, and we might all join in, but NOT talking about the Quran doesn't somehow excuse the Bible of anyhing.

 if you thought that is what I meant, you truly did not understand my point.

TheBoost said:

Warbler said:

TV's Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV's Frink said:

Does anyone here follow the Koran?

 So you admit that Bingo is just complaining to annoy people here?

 I'm saying that what you said is irrelevant unless someone here follows the Koran's teachings.

 and I am saying unless he is just doing this to annoy the people here, he should complain about the anti-gay stuff in the Koran as much as he does the anti-gay stuff in the Bible.    The fact that no one here follows the Koran is irrelevant.

 I don't think Bingo (or most of us) live in a world where the Quran is effecting us daily. We could go on about the horrors done by Muslims, Buddhists, Shinto practitioners, the indigenous religions of Tonga, or the state religion of North Korea.

But that's not Bingo's job. 

what about about all the gay people suffering in Muslim countries?  Why doesn't Bingo want to talk about them?  

TV's Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV's Frink said:

Because equal rights (like the right to not be stoned to death) are soooooo frustrating.

 Frink, in all fairness, please remember Jetrell Fo said this:

Jetrell Fo said:

I have not now, nor will I ever, condone such acts towards anyone. 

 

 Then pehaps he shouldn't agree with lunatics when they act lunatic-y.

I said I understand his basic reasoning, I did not say I agree with lunacy.  Do not put words in my mouth as Bingo did, it does not suit you well, unless that is the effect you are going for.

Warbler said:

 

what about about all the gay people suffering in Muslim countries?  Why doesn't Bingo want to talk about them?  

I don't know. You aren't talking about them. Why should he? 

I honestly don't see the point you're trying to make here Warb.

Jetrell Fo said:

They are not ravings ..... it's frustration ..... it's wondering how far equality has to go to be satisfied or is it's requirements infinite. 

 Well... equality would be a pretty good place. You're opposed to that? 

TheBoost said:

Warbler said:

 

what about about all the gay people suffering in Muslim countries?  Why doesn't Bingo want to talk about them?  

I don't know. You aren't talking about them. Why should he? 

because he talks so much about gays suffering because of Christinity?

I honestly don't see the point you're trying to make here Warb.

 my point is that he only talks about one and not the other.  I seek equality.

Warbler said:

RicOlie_2 said:

I tried following one once, but it didn't move and I got bored, so I stopped after a while.

;)

On a more serious note, I'm disgusted at the bigotry being displayed towards Trinity Western's law school.

http://www.vancouversun.com/news/lawyers+vote+overwhelmingly+against+Trinity+Western+school+amid+claims+discrimination/9926606/story.html#ixzz34NU8NWxh

It's a Christian law school--should they not be allowed to dictate their own rules? They aren't even discriminating against gays like people are claiming because the same rules apply to heterosexuals. I don't know how they enforce their rules which apply to the most private part of people's lives, but they should be allowed to do so. If people have a problem with that, they can go to a different school. I can't believe that people don't recognize that they are opposing freedom of religion when they oppose the rules upheld by the law school, but think they're doing a service to "gay rights" instead.

/rant

 Is this law school a privately owned school?  Do they receive any goverment fundiing?

 

 Being that it's a Christian, and not a public university, I would assume that it is not government funded, or at least not fully so. I can't remember if private universities like that get any funding from the government, but I would guess that they don't.

TheBoost said:

RicOlie_2 said:

TheBoost said:

 

 I understand the reasoning, but I disagree with it. It's a Christian law school, and it prohibits sex outside of marriage. Period. Marriage in the Christian religion (aside from some more liberal denominations) is, by definition, between heterosexuals. It isn't discrimination, it's just what we consider marriage to be. Also, people choose to have sex, they don't choose to be black or white. The rules don't prohibit homosexuals from attending the school--that would indeed be wrongful discrimination--they just prohibit sex outside of marriage for staff/students in attendance.

 Again, not claiming to know anything about Canadian law, education, or customs (don't they have some kind of tribal vendetta system?) but "It's not discrimination, it's just discrimination" doesn't hold water.

The house I used to live in, on the deed said "This house cannot be sold to Jews." That's not discrimination. The same rules applied to non-Jews. Is that discrimination?

Of course it's still discrimination. What I'm complaining about here would be more like the deed saying that the house could not be rented out and people complaining about discrimination against renting it out to Jews.

When we were beating Native Americans who spoke their own language or practiced their own religion in forced boarding schools, those rules against speaking and practicing also applied to white Christians. Was that discrimination?

No, it wasn't discrimination any more than Alexander the Great's Hellenization of his empire. It was unjust, but the residential schools were not discriminatory. The Europeans had conquered the territory, and like most conquerors do, they submitted the conquered peoples to their rule. It wasn't in the form of an actual invasion and war (though their were wars), but the outcome was the same. 

If the issue is "This Christian school has the right to discriminate" then that's a different question. But let's not do some mental hoop jumping to act like it's not discrimination.

 It's a private university, so it should be able to ask for Christian conduct. According to Christian religious belief, gay marriages are not genuine marriages.

Discrimination would look more like this:

heterosexuals can have sex; homosexuals must abstain from sex.

However, the rule is that everyone must practice abstinence unless they are married. There is equal "discrimination" against the unmarried, so why aren't their rights being defended? Why is the prohibition of homosexual sex being singled out?

Warbler said: It is curious that Bingo always talkis about editing the Bible, but never the Koran.   I am willing to bet there is a lot of anti-gay stuff in there too. 

As you well know I have argued that it be in the best interest of all religions to take those items out of their official editions. Including the Koran and the Tanakh.

It would still exist in the same way the embarrassing bits of Enid Blyton, Georges Prosper Remi :

and the slightly dodgy titles of Agatha Christie books :

are still available for study.

For a church, synagogue or mosque to come out and say that they will not include such items in their officially endorsed scripture would send a very good signal that violence of that nature is a thing of the past in a religious context. Not something of the present.

I would include the passages about selling children and killing witches too as well as all the whipping and hand removal of the Koran.

As for accusing me of hating Christianity, that is not accurate lacking in nuance. It's like saying I hate Jews because I disagree with some things the state of Israel does. It's the sort of thing a child would say.

I find some of it distasteful but I also find some of it rather beautiful (mostly the Christ bits), some of it I find frankly surreal and sometimes hilarious.

While I have suffered some discrimination from Christians on the whole I have suffered more from people who call themselves agnostic and I don't hate agnosticism. My reaction to Christianity is more due to studying the history of the religion and the formation of the scripture as well as a personal assessment of the contents. Christians I take on a case by case basis just like anyone else.

Warbler said : what about about all the gay people suffering in Muslim countries?  Why doesn't Bingo want to talk about them? 

Short memory I posted pictures of gays being stoned and hung in Muslim countries. Multiple times. Perhaps I hope for more from the Christian churches as they are more open to altering the text of scripture. Some have already altered by translation the Levitican text from referring to men laying with men as they would women to "homosexuality" of all kinds. Also most of the offending Islamic countries have remained behind the times where as places like Uganda and Russia are going backwards largely due to the influence of Christian Evangelists from America.