Star Wars Prequels 35mm 4K Filmized Editions by Emanswfan (a WIP) — Page 16

lpd said:

This one looks way off to me, looks like a clipping out of a newspaper.

 I'm a little confused at what you mean there.  I can tweak it, if you can explain to me what you are seeing.

hm, Obi looks ... how can I describe it?

but the droids and the neimodian are really strange

maybe because it's a closeup, that messes with some colors and the focus brings out more of the details, that are hidden in a wideshot?

It may be my monitor but I think that the faces in this new frame (and some older ones) are way to yellow. And that just looks wrong.

But great job otherwise. The latest clip looked great although the ending was a little too yellow for my taste ;)

Tweaked settings:

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/76800

brimforge said:

another nice example how a fake cgi setting can look as good as one of the old movies ;-)

 Dude, it is a set. xD

Anyway, it was an interesting clip, but I find these settings sometimes stir away from the main focus of bringing a harmonic, naturalistic celluloid feel to your fan edit. Instead it draws too much attention to itself and takes it to a territory where the look makes it feel unnatural because of how it dominates the scene. 

The comparison that was made to a photo from a news paper article isn't that far off. 
It appears like a grainy, low-quality print on a muddy paper stock you have to squint your eyes at to recognize things more clearly (an exaggeration in comparison to your clip, but I hope you know know what I mean). Perhaps a magazine-quality scan describes it more accurately. For example:
http://www.imagebam.com/image/7b0398244895559

You were on a great way of creating a fine continuation of a 90's-quality celluloid look with the mild film grain, the warm skin tones, the harsher black & white levels and the lens distortions and 3D mapping. 

Why don't you offer both the more subtle yet harmonic 90s celluloid version (theatrical release TPM as reference) and use your current settings on a separate "50's / 60's OT precursor" aged-celluloid reconstruction look?

ok the first was way to yellow, now it got more the reds, it's better for the eyes

doesn't help correct the neimodian on the right side, he looks just weird ...

StarmanSkywalker said:

Dude, it is a set. xD

still, even a "real set" can look very cgi, and by the way they produced scenes in combination with blue/green screen, anything that makes the stuff seem "real" is better ;-)

Okay, I could do that, though I guess I've been kind of aiming for an even older look more recently to make this feel more defined from the original look.  If I were to follow the 90's look I was going for back a while ago, it would at least make the TPM color grading way easier.

On a side note, what's the opinion on the oldified sound, as per the most recent clip?  Remember it is only the center channel that is being heard at the moment, but it would not be that way in the final of course.

brimforge said:

doesn't help correct the neimodian on the right side, he looks just weird ...

 It seems to just be me needing to do banding repair to that hue section, or maybe it's cause I added some new LUT into the mix in the last two screenshots.

Screw it, those Kodak Vision LUT's, don't seem to be fit.  Probably a bit too teal and orange for this project.  I'll tweak the settings again.

Any update soon ?

Yes, actually I'm working on drastically changing my workflow from the ground up right now to fix some issues I'm having with grading some shots.

Cool !

I'm really looking forward for this project.

So I'm thinking about releasing two versions: an oldified film version (like I have been working on most recently) and the closest recreation of what a 35mm theatre print would have looked like in 4K.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/78535  (comparison is in between untouched 1080p image and 4K upscaled w. filmic adjustments)

It would be the best of both worlds, one that keeps relatively pure to the original theatrical look, but having a 35mm appearance, and one that aims to look the same age or older than the OT film look.  ROTS is already complete for its theatrical print recreation.  I went through a lot of research to get the movie to have the same look as the film stocks it was printed on for movie theatres. 

nice, looks so much better, curious what can be done to make the story "better" ;-)

That looks amazing :)

It's exactly what I was hoping for when I first saw this project. Great job.

The one thing I'm wondering: You said that ROTS is almost ready as theatralic version. I guess that means you won't change the depth of field (not sure if that's the correct expression) for that release?

Kexikus said:

The one thing I'm wondering: You said that ROTS is almost ready as theatralic version. I guess that means you won't change the depth of field (not sure if that's the correct expression) for that release?

No for this first release set I would not be doing such.  It's solely designed to create a higher quality film version of the original without any radical alterations to the image.

emanswfan said:

So I'm thinking about releasing two versions: an oldified film version (like I have been working on most recently) and the closest recreation of what a 35mm theatre print would have looked like in 4K.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/78535  (comparison is in between untouched 1080p image and 4K upscaled w. filmic adjustments)

 

 Looks more like some of you better pictures, colour looks better and the grain even seems to add more detail. Hope you dont think I was dissing your project on my last comment about the other Obi picture it just didnt look like film to me. I'm really looking forward to seeing your final edit.

I love your work early on with AOTC I think it was when you were also adding the look of it through an anamorphic lens set up. Always looks more celluloidy:-) to me.

lpd said: Looks more like some of you better pictures, colour looks better and the grain even seems to add more detail. Hope you dont think I was dissing your project on my last comment about the other Obi picture it just didnt look like film to me. I'm really looking forward to seeing your final edit.

I love your work early on with AOTC I think it was when you were also adding the look of it through an anamorphic lens set up. Always looks more celluloidy:-) to me.

No, I understand what you were saying.  I think I was putting more filtering on the footage than it could handle with the crappy Bluray compression.  I could probably do so much more if I had access to Lucasfilm's uncompressed files.

emanswfan said:

So I'm thinking about releasing two versions: an oldified film version (like I have been working on most recently) and the closest recreation of what a 35mm theatre print would have looked like in 4K.

http://screenshotcomparison.com/comparison/78535  (comparison is in between untouched 1080p image and 4K upscaled w. filmic adjustments)

It would be the best of both worlds, one that keeps relatively pure to the original theatrical look, but having a 35mm appearance, and one that aims to look the same age or older than the OT film look.  ROTS is already complete for its theatrical print recreation.  I went through a lot of research to get the movie to have the same look as the film stocks it was printed on for movie theatres. 

 I am very happy to hear you are going with both versions. The screenshot looks splendid. :)
I can't wait to see watch all three the way I remember them looking back in theaters in 1999, 2002 and 2005 respectively.

Will you be going with the theatrical cuts or the Blu-Ray releases? The reason I ask is because I really can't wrap my head around the Blu-Ray edit to Dooku's escape in AOTC. It had the perfect flow until 2011. On the same page I feel Shmi's tortured cries for help really enhanced Anakin's nightmare scene.

StarmanSkywalker said:

I am very happy to hear you are going with both versions. The screenshot looks splendid. :)
I can't wait to see watch all three the way I remember them looking back in theaters in 1999, 2002 and 2005 respectively.

Will you be going with the theatrical cuts or the Blu-Ray releases? The reason I ask is because I really can't wrap my head around the Blu-Ray edit to Dooku's escape in AOTC. It had the perfect flow until 2011. On the same page I feel Shmi's tortured cries for help really enhanced Anakin's nightmare scene.

 Thanks, I'm sure some will prefer that first version.

In terms of the edit, I've been debating about restoring the theatrical edits for TPM and ATOC.  The point of this project in the first place however, was to provide a replacement source for other fanedits, but I could very well make seperate edits to restore the original theatrical versions of TPM and ATOC, if so desired.

^ Oh that would rock my world.

I so wish I could somehow rip the Austrian HDTV airing of the THEATRICAL CUT of TPM off my UPC DVR, but it is encoded in a way that I've read time and time again can't be salvaged into another format without loss in quality and the machine's warranty (no USB hubs and rental only).

Yes, you heard me right, there is an HD version of the theatrical cut available to TV stations and it looks less grainy (in the white areas especially) than any of the other HD sources. It is light on film grain, but strong on detail (no waxy visuals like the BD). Usually it's always the DVD cut airing, so I was taken by surprise to see the film the way I used to see it in theatres and on VHS again.

I hope they will air it again soon, so I can ask someone with a sat dish and a good receiver to rip it.

Was the hdtv theatrical cut in widescreen? Over here we always get a heavily zoomed and cropped version.

Yep, it's in its original widescreen ratio, save for the edge areas that weren't visible until the Blu-Ray release).

I really have no idea where this HDTV version came, since even back at Celebration IV's Saga Marathon in 2007 Lucasfilm's only digital viewing copy of TPM was based on the DVD Director's Cut (without alien subtitles).

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=123195