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The thread where we make enemies out of friends, aka the abortion debate thread — Page 34

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TV's Frink said:

To be fair, that toddler could also be Hitler...or even Michael Bay, God forbid.

 Exactly. A chicken egg would never grow up dreaming of annexing the Sudetenland... or God forbid making 'Transformers 2'.

...wait a minute.

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Ryan McAvoy said:

Bingowings said:

I see chickens as being as intelligent and worthy of life as a human toddler. I don't eat either of them.

I understand that to some people this seems odd but to me defending the rights of a blob of cells while slaughtering and eating pigs and cows is beyond weird.

Killing both is consistent, killing neither is consistent but to kill one and not the other is a dangerous paradox.

 then Bingo, you are inconsistent.  You are against the killing of mice and other animals but not against the killing of human fetuses.   

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Please forgive me I am so so so sorry for valuing human life more than animal life.    What a disgrace I am.

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Until human life catches up in the tasty department, I'm sticking with animal life for dinner.

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TV's Frink said:

Until human life catches up in the tasty department, I'm sticking with animal life for dinner.

 Problem solved.

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This makes me think of a certain Twightlight Zone episode.  

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Ryan McAvoy said:

TV's Frink said:

Until human life catches up in the tasty department, I'm sticking with animal life for dinner.

 Problem solved.

 How to cook for forty humans.

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Warbler said:

Please forgive me I am so so so sorry for valuing human life more than animal life.    What a disgrace I am.

 

Both are alive which do you want to help more?

If it not the dog could you please stop blubbing every time one of your pets sadly departs from life.

Once again at no point did I ever say it was okay to casually kill fetuses or babies. I just don't see how someone can get so upset about the fate of the Zygote and eat a hamburger or crush a mouse to death and post a fucking count of them.

If you start from a premise that all life is sacred the human bit is a doddle. Sociopaths tend to start their careers by torturing animals, the worst civil wars are in most agricultural mostly rural countries.

If you are desensitised enough to kill a farm animal it's easier to kill a human.

But the holy brigade are made in God's image and you can't eat God... unless you are a Catholic on Sunday and a dog is mans best friend but a bird or a sheep well...

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I believe all life is sacred and human life moreso.  I believe in doing our best to preserve life when possible, and only taking when necessary.  I am a hypocrite who eats hamburgers, yes, but I do believe eating meat is okay, though I also believe that the treatment of animals destined for the slaughterhouse should be as humane as possible.  I believe that human life, with or without definable personalities, should be preserved as often as possible, except when a particular human has demonstrated extreme depravity and cruelly killed another human (or been responsible for a few thousands or millions, whatever the case may be).  That's the way I see it.  I've made my points, very effectively I believe.  Obviously other folks disagree.  If I've caused anyone to even take a moment's pause in their support of pro-choice, then perhaps I've been successful on some level.

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TV's Frink said:

Dawwwww!!!

 Or dinner as you guys will probably pitch in at some point.

This thread is now about pictures of cute animals not eating each other.

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Now that you mention it, they do look kind of tasty...

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Bingowings said:

 I've seen this picture used before.  As I've said, I see the argument, particularly from non-religious folks, that the above is not a person.  I disagree, but that is beside the point for the moment.  I'll concede not the argument itself, but rather that an argument can be made that such is not a person (though no woman knows she is pregnant at that point anyway).

Usually by the time a woman knows she is pregnant, the baby looks like this:

Some might call this the "prawn stage" ;)  As you can see, quite a bit has developed. including a little heart that is actually beating the child's own blood through its own circulatory system, completely separate from the mother's.

Here is what my child looks like right now.

http://www.babycenter.com/fetal-development-images-22-weeks

The child has its own nervous system.  She looks like a little person.  She can hear, which, as I pointed out in an earlier article, allows for the very earliest development of language skills.  She can suck her thumb.  She kicks my wife.  She sees light and dark.  She can touch and feel things.  She can Were she to be born today, assuming she survived delivery, she would struggle for life (much like Baby Jayden did in the article I first posted to bump this thread).  In the US, if my wife decided, "You know what? I really don't want this fetus to actually become a person.  Too much work.  Expensive diapers that will only get poo on them.  I'm going to have an abortion."  She would not need my permission, or even consent.

"Honey, I'm home!  What a day at work.  How was your day?"

"Oh, I aborted our daughter."

"What!?"

To me, though my daughter is not yet viable, she is clearly a person, and it amazes me that anyone, even non-religious persons, can doubt it.  Obviously I believe personhood goes further back than that, but this demonstrates my point for skeptics I hope.

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TV's Frink said:

Mmmm, dog sandwich....

Dog sandwich with bacon ...... everything tastes better with bacon.

:)

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I'm sure I could photoshop one in there like the other pictures were done. 

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http://www.scissortailsilk.com/2014/05/13/how-abortion-has-changed-the-discussion-of-miscarriage/

So the dehumanization of unborn children for the sake of abortion advocates has come to the emotional neglect and harm of those who have "spontaneous abortions."  I mean, I know their only loss was nothing more than hopes and dreams for a future person, not the loss of an actual person.  But still, it seems that we should not always be catering to those whose abortions are elective, and actually try and help those who really feel as if they lost a beloved child.