I'm sure Ady has his reasons for not including Battle of the Heroes in ANH:R HD but I just thought I'd point out that there is a less bombastic choir-less version done by the flemish radio orchestra if the chorus was part of the reasoning.
Octorox said:
I'm sure Ady has his reasons for not including Battle of the Heroes in ANH:R HD but I just thought I'd point out that there is a less bombastic choir-less version done by the flemish radio orchestra if the chorus was port of the reasoning.
I've been in support of still having it in, just with a choirless version instead. Sure it won't happen, but that version you shared sounds pretty cool. I had heard of a different non-choir version, but that sounds even better. With a little audio processing, it would blend in.
I'll probably just make a personal fanedit of the fanedit, with the track re-added in.
There was talk of two different audio tracks, which to me seems like the best option.
Harmy said:
There was talk of two different audio tracks, which to me seems like the best option.
This seems fair to me. I imagine I'm not the only one who now accepts the music as part of the Revisited version, from seeing it this way so many times now.
“Lifes a song you don’t get to rehearse, and every single verse can make it that much worse”
I"m guessing it could just switch tracks for that section via seamless branching?
I believe the timing of the video edits is different with the music so adywan will not be including an audio track with the music as an option.
DominicCobb said:
I believe the timing of the video edits is different with the music so adywan will not be including an audio track with the music as an option.
Or can't you just edit the audio to fit the video edits instead?
So I just had a thought. It would be slightly challenging, but if Adywan so wished, he could potentially get some guy dressed up as Vader and another guy dressed up as Ben, shoot against greenscreen to comp them into different death star backdrops, using the actors masked out of the original scene for dialogue and close ups (get a couple screens of ben's face to cover the actor's in wider shots) and expand the Ben/Vader duel to sort of move throughout the death star to make it more exciting, epic, and able to stand alongside the other duels of the saga in terms of excitement and scope. Ultimately they would move so that they end up with Ben's death in the same place as the original. It wouldn't be too difficult, just time consuming.
Except for the music, I quite liked what Ady did with the duel in ANH:R but I think filming new stuff would be going a bit too far.
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Harmy said:
Except for the music, I quite liked what Ady did with the duel in ANH:R but I think filming new stuff would be going a bit too far.
I don't know. I really enjoy the Ben vader duel on it's own merits. Great scene. But as a part of the rest of the saga it just feels disjointed. Vader and Ben seem pretty evenly matched as slow, old men. Then in empire all of a sudden vader seems to have improved to the point of being a highly skilled, ferocious swordsman. I'm not saying it would have to be prequel level crazy, but just expanding it a bit so it can stand alongside the duels in empire and Jedi I think could do the saga as a whole some good. It could also help battle of the heroes to fit better and not feel so out of place. It's really not too far a stretch from the kinds of things adywan has in mind for the prequels. I think it would be naive to think the ot is all perfect and that there aren't at least a couple scenes that could do with a bit of an overhal (particularily in rotj). Just a suggestion. :p take it or leave it.
I liked just having the quicker edits from ANH:R. I felt like it played fine.
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Darth Lucas said:
It wouldn't be too difficult, just time consuming.
You're hired. Let us know when it's done ;)
Harmy said:
Except for the music, I quite liked what Ady did with the duel in ANH:R but I think filming new stuff would be going a bit too far.
I assume only because it's ANH? Goodness knows he's going to do that for the PT.
I don't notice any vast improvement in Vader's swordfighting between ANH and ESB. When the duel starts Luke is swinging all over and pretty active while Vader just stands there and fights essentially by only moving his elbows. Now that can be seen from two sides: he's a slow old guy or he's just so damn good that Luke ain't shit to him. Turns out he's just a slow old guy cuz Luke hits him in the shoulder.
One of the novels says that his suit is so damn heavy and awkward that he has to use the force just to move. This was intentional on the Emperor's part. The bad suit slows Vader down and makes him less likely to overpower Palpatine, plus he's never able to use the force to his full potential because he's always got some of it (and his attention) focused on the suit. Otherwise he'd just kill the Emperor and take over like it was nothing. He actually needs Luke's help to do it because the suit's so unwieldy.
Truth is Prowse could barely move in the thing, so fancy swordsmanship wasn't really possible.
Hang on...isn't it someone else in the suit for parts of the Empire fight? Maybe out on the catwalk where he actually moves around
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I always like that the duel was mellow, because Star Wars was the movie introducing us to this amazing new universe. It didn't have to be big yet, that could be saved to get bigger for the latter instalments. The music added a little bit extra kick to it, and IMO just the right amount for a special edition of the movie.
That said, I still feel like revisited shouldn't bother trying to make the order viewable in 1,2,3,4,5,6 as SW (or ANH, I guess) is simply the intro film, and I don't think you can change that, no matter how much you "fix" the prequels. SW explained the force, the lightsabers, and everything else to provide you with basic understanding. Now, I do think TPM could very well be changed to be made to introduce concepts to us, but unless more radical edits are applied, I find it too jarring to watch in chronological order, beyond the fact that the prequels are so obviously made after the OT production-wise, unless that's being planned to change also.
Sky_ said:
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Define "night." Not everyone lives in the same time zone.
emanswfan said:
I always like that the duel was mellow, because Star Wars was the movie introducing us to this amazing new universe. It didn't have to be big yet, that could be saved to get bigger for the latter instalments.
Although in retrospect it seems like that was the intent, I'm sure it had more to do with the fight being between a 63 year old man and a guy wearing a suit made of metal and car upholstery
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Through strength, I gain power.
Through power, I gain victory.
Through victory, my chains are broken.
The force shall free me.
TV's Frink said:
Sky_ said:
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Define "night." Not everyone lives in the same time zone.
Of COURSE we do! Haven't you ever seen GREMLINS or any movie dealing with religious apocalyptic prophecies that end (or is it begin?) at midnight?
As far as the "slow" sword fighting goes, keep in mind that these fights aren't based on Errol Flynn movies but samurai flicks. Hell, SW and ESB designed their lightsabre duels more akin to what you see in THE DUELISTS than THE CRIMSON PIRATE. These guys are professionals, so they're going to conserve their energy and plan their attacks.
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Well actually alot of it is due to the lightsaber blades. This is when they were still trying to do the effect in camera. The rotating wooden blades kept breaking, so they were told to just try and stop before the blades hit each other, limiting the kinds of moves they were able to do and ultimately making it feel less intense than it could have been in comparison to the other films. It doesn't really have to do with it being slow, but a little more spread out and exciting. Even the ROTJ duel, which was confined to one room, moved around alot and was a pretty intense battle. The suggestion was simply to maybe allow for some more varied attacks (so it doesn't feel so much like they're just tapping their sabers together gently every so often) and move it out of that small area.
The Gremlins point is a fair one. I withdraw my objection.
Darth Lucas said:
So I just had a thought. It would be slightly challenging, but if Adywan so wished, he could potentially get some guy dressed up as Vader and another guy dressed up as Ben, shoot against greenscreen to comp them into different death star backdrops, using the actors masked out of the original scene for dialogue and close ups (get a couple screens of ben's face to cover the actor's in wider shots) and expand the Ben/Vader duel to sort of move throughout the death star to make it more exciting, epic, and able to stand alongside the other duels of the saga in terms of excitement and scope. Ultimately they would move so that they end up with Ben's death in the same place as the original. It wouldn't be too difficult, just time consuming.
Honestly I don't think such a change of location would be necessary to give a heightened sense of danger to the scene. In the two or three establishing shots at the beginning of the fight, the view could be zoomed out to show a giant open shaft to the left of Ben (without guardrails of course), with only a five or six foot walkway skirting the side.
Ben realizes that he must make it past Vader to get to the Falcon, and he first tries to cut close to the wall, but Vader blocks his passage. Next he cuts along the edge of the pit, and all that would be needed here would be an added shot of Ben's feet and robes skirting the edge in a closeup. That would go a long way towards making the environment important to the fight.
JEDIT: Adding echoey sound effects which imply open space and perhaps a slight wind ala the Empire catwalk scene would really sell the concept.
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Here's a version of the Obi/Vader duel with no choir in case people were wondering how it sounds.
nice, just the amount to be dramatic, only needs to be toned down when we see Han, Luke and Leia ...