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Awesome. We can definately use interviews. Do you know how to set up for one? (lights, sound, etc.?) What kind of equipment do you have access to?

I'm overseas, so there really isn't very much I can do as far as shooting...I'm not sure if there are a lot of Japanese Star Wars fans, and if there are, I'm not sure if they care about this issue lol. I can look into that though.

But I can definately do editing...especially any kind of titles, graphics, transitions, blends, effects, etc. that we need, I can do that can of stuff easily, and very well.

Does Jay ever go to conventions to get signatures?
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From what I heard Star Wars was (is?) big in Japan because of all the Japanese cultural references Lucas hid in it. They also got some stuff on laser that we didn't...

Moll.

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Star Wars is huge almost anywhere, and has a whole base of fans.

I might tape some interviews whenever I can...
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Awesome. We can definately use interviews. Do you know how to set up for one? (lights, sound, etc.?) What kind of equipment do you have access to?

I'm overseas, so there really isn't very much I can do as far as shooting...I'm not sure if there are a lot of Japanese Star Wars fans, and if there are, I'm not sure if they care about this issue lol. I can look into that though.

But I can definately do editing...especially any kind of titles, graphics, transitions, blends, effects, etc. that we need, I can do that can of stuff easily, and very well.

Does Jay ever go to conventions to get signatures?


I've worked with film projects before. I can have access to a GL-2 and a good sound system, as well as lights, etc. I suppose if I really tried I know a guy who can get HD cameras.

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From what I heard Star Wars was (is?) big in Japan because of all the Japanese cultural references Lucas hid in it. They also got some stuff on laser that we didn't...

Moll.


What did they get on LaserDisc that we didn't?
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Come to think of it...Star Wars *is* big over here, I don't know what I was thinking when I said that lol. They just had a big Star Wars exhibit down in Tokyo last June...Unfortunately I'm at Misawa, and the guys down at Yokota (near Tokyo) got to do a news story on it and I didn't Oh well. I should be able to find some people to interview.

And yeah, what's different about the Japanese LD's?....if they're worth the effort, I might try to find them used somewhere. I probably won't be able to, but is it worth trying?
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The Japanese got TPM on laser while we just had it on VHS.

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We definately have enough people that can get interviews done, but what about other footage? Basically anything we want to say needs footage to go with it.

Does anyone have any footage that we could fit in for voice-overs?
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Hi all,

I'd also like to suggest that the focus of this project should be to highlight the preservation fo the original trilogy, and not a personal attack on Geroge, his power or whatever else.

Denigrating George Lucas is not a good strategy to take, we want to play the issue (preservation), not the man (George.)

What if we focus on our love of Star Wars over the last 25 years, why this movie has endured, what people have said about it, why it was so different technically - all these reactions to the movies give us a human view (baseline?) for the originals, thus enabling us to emotively highlight the feelings of betrayal and disappointment we feel with what has been released on DVD.

Focus on what has been "lost" with the changes - the music has changed, the addition of characters, the changes in dialogue that lessen the dramatic impact of the movie. Focus on the "lost" and emphasize the need to "preserve" original works of art

(My personal disappointment with the Greedo-shoots-first revisions is that is lessens the value of Han's sacrifice when he helps save the Rebellion at the flim's ending. By no longer being an uncaring mercenary who can shoot in cold blood, then, it wasn't such a character leap for him to turn around and help the fight against the Empire).

In closing, while I am a total newbie with video editing/production, I have a G4 mac with 1GB of ram that I can volunteer to help with any of the production grunt work. Hey, we can set up our own version fo the SETI project - call it the JEDI project??

Ang
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Originally posted by: D0CT0R_W40
We definately have enough people that can get interviews done, but what about other footage? Basically anything we want to say needs footage to go with it.

Does anyone have any footage that we could fit in for voice-overs?


We need as much GL interviews as we can get. Hopefully we can have him contradicting himself.

We also need some interviews from crewmembers, need some footage from all Star Wars versions, and the usual stuff, such as the famous line outside the theater footage from 1977, images from posters, from ads, and so on...
“Voice or no voice, the people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is easy. All you have to do is tell them they are being attacked and denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country to danger. It works the same in any country.” — Nazi Reich Marshal Hermann Goering
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Hi all,

I'd also like to suggest that the focus of this project should be to highlight the preservation fo the original trilogy, and not a personal attack on Geroge, his power or whatever else.


Okay, since no one else has sided with me on this one, let's do that. We'll take the more positive approach that sticks strictly to the trilogy personilzation.

So, who has footage we can use? We know what to need, but now we need to find it. There were a few behind-the-scenes things that released before the THX faces were released...does anyone have those? I remember seeing footage from the sets, and star wars fan culture, and opening day at the chinese theater, stuff like that. Does anyone have a copy of that? I think they had a vhx trilogy boxed set, and that video came with it.
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I have the boxed set, but I'll have to work on transferring it from VHS to a digital format.

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I have an ATI All-in-Wonder 9600, and it's awesome...I bought mine for about $200, and it's well worth it.

If you don't want to spend money on something to do the transfer, try finding someone who can do it. Or as a last resort you can copy them to vhs tapes and snail mail them to me, I can reimburse you if it comes to that.
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Originally posted by: Angsty
Hi all,

I'd also like to suggest that the focus of this project should be to highlight the preservation fo the original trilogy, and not a personal attack on Geroge, his power or whatever else.

Denigrating George Lucas is not a good strategy to take, we want to play the issue (preservation), not the man (George.)

What if we focus on our love of Star Wars over the last 25 years, why this movie has endured, what people have said about it, why it was so different technically - all these reactions to the movies give us a human view (baseline?) for the originals, thus enabling us to emotively highlight the feelings of betrayal and disappointment we feel with what has been released on DVD.

Focus on what has been "lost" with the changes - the music has changed, the addition of characters, the changes in dialogue that lessen the dramatic impact of the movie. Focus on the "lost" and emphasize the need to "preserve" original works of art


I agree with you here Angsty, but I see Doctor_W40 has yielded on this issue. I think he'll be happy in the end when we have our finished product.

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(My personal disappointment with the Greedo-shoots-first revisions is that is lessens the value of Han's sacrifice when he helps save the Rebellion at the flim's ending. By no longer being an uncaring mercenary who can shoot in cold blood, then, it wasn't such a character leap for him to turn around and help the fight against the Empire).


I see what you're saying, and I agree with you, except I have to disagree with the use of the phrase "in cold blood." I maintain that Han shot Greedo in self defense even in the original cut when he shot before Greedo could get a shot off. So it wasn't in cold blood. Think about it, he's an experienced smuggler, wise in the ways of the criminal underworld. When Greedo said, "I've been looking forward to this for a long time," Han knew what was coming next. Only an idiot would wait for the other guy to shoot and not even attempt to beat him to the punch like Han did. Of course, Han was very casual about it. He wasn't exactly broken up about wasting Greedo (which is understandable being that Greedo was going to kill him). But the casual nature in which Han dealt with Greedo showed someone world-weary and practical who did what had to be done. His character was clearly the antithesis of Luke's idealism. There is where the leap occurs, from someone who is clearly not an idealist, to someone who is willing to side with the Rebellion who are fighting an idealistic war against insurmountable odds. But I don't think the phrase "in cold blood" ever entered anyone's mind in relation to Han and Greedo until Lucas suggested it in 1997. Han clearly just did what he had to do to survive. But, yes you are very right, that change diminished the depth of Han's character transformation. It also made Han look like an incredibly lucky guy, slow to the draw, who survived that encounter through dumb luck instead of guile, skill and speed as he did in the original version. And of course Greedo comes off looking the worst of all, instead of appearing like an arrogant, cocksure bounty hunter sure that he had his quarry cornered, but just wasn't fast enough to pull the trigger, he now appears to be the worst bounty hunter ever who couldn't hit the broad side of a barn at point black range.

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In closing, while I am a total newbie with video editing/production, I have a G4 mac with 1GB of ram that I can volunteer to help with any of the production grunt work. Hey, we can set up our own version fo the SETI project - call it the JEDI project??

Ang


Well, you certainly might be able to put that computer to use. Does anyone here live near Angsty? Maybe someone who knows how to do video editing and has the software can use his comp for their workhorse....if that's cool with Ang, I don't mean to invite people over your house dude, lol! Anyway thanks for the volunteer to help.

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I have the boxed set, but I'll have to work on transferring it from VHS to a digital format.


Are you talking about the fourth tape in the hologram box? That's "From Star Wars To Jedi." Several people offer that on DVD here, so don't waste your time re-transferring it.
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I have the boxed set, but I'll have to work on transferring it from VHS to a digital format.


Are you talking about the fourth tape in the hologram box? That's "From Star Wars To Jedi." Several people offer that on DVD here, so don't waste your time re-transferring it.


Nah, the interviews with Maltin from the THX editions.

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We can use material from the Maltin interviews and From Star Wars to Jedi. We can probably find something to use in just about anything we can get our hands on.
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Didn't someone already transfer the Maltin interviews to DVD? Definetly check on that before you put the time and effort into transferring them yourself.
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We definately have enough people that can get interviews done, but what about other footage? Basically anything we want to say needs footage to go with it.

Does anyone have any footage that we could fit in for voice-overs?


We need as much GL interviews as we can get. Hopefully we can have him contradicting himself.

We also need some interviews from crewmembers, need some footage from all Star Wars versions, and the usual stuff, such as the famous line outside the theater footage from 1977, images from posters, from ads, and so on...


For the purposes of this documentary, we only need be interested in GL contradicting himself if it is directly relavent to our cause, and even then, we shouldn't dwell on him, but the situation.

With all the making-of features and featurettes between the official DVDs and all the stuff that people like Rowman have put on DVD there should be plenty of footage of GL and crew interviews. The "Making of Star Wars as told by C-3PO and R2-D2" has footage of the Mann's Chinese Theater line, and so does "From Star Wars To Jedi" I think. That stuff won't be difficult to compile. We also need a complete list of changes to the SE's, and now the 2004 DVDs, and footage of the major changes but that won't be a problem. We just need to decide which changes we mention and which we focus on. But always the focus should not be that we don't like the changes but that we only want the original version preserved and available on DVD. We don't want to go off on rants bashing the changes, we should take the attitude (for the purposes of the doc) that we don't mind the changes, but we want to have the original as well. Ideally the viewer shouldn't be able to tell if we like the changes or not, just that we also want the original version to be available. And ripping on GL will NOT be a wise strategy to take, that will alienate not only GL but a large amount of potential supporters.

I think that stuff will be relatively easy, just time consuming to come up with a script for how we will edit it and what the narration will say (and the actual editing, of course). The hard part will be collecting usable footage of interviews of people in the present time. If anyone knows any film historians, film preservationists, or any other type of expert like that, please get them to sit for an interview (but don't film any hoax interviews, we need credibility). Also, if we do anything like interview common fans at conventions, we must stress to them that the footage won't be useable if they use profanity and/or go off on a diatribe against GL. The more professional this looks the better.
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I'm so glad to see that this insane idea of mine is actually taking shape on the hands of professional, competent people... who knows, maybe someday we could screen "Bowling for Coruscant" for George Lucas at the Skywalker Ranch - pretty much in the way as Hitler watched Chaplin's "The Great Dictator" while he was on France, ont once but twice...
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I'm so glad to see that this insane idea of mine is actually taking shape on the hands of professional, competent people... who knows, maybe someday we could screen "Bowling for Coruscant" for George Lucas at the Skywalker Ranch - pretty much in the way as Hitler watched Chaplin's "The Great Dictator" while he was on France, ont once but twice...


That would be great. Speaking of Hitler, I actually think Stalin would make a better analogy, as Stalin had a predilection for revisionist history, he had an awful lot of people airbrushed out of pictures of the revolutionaries. Kinda reminds one of how Lucas is "airbrushing" things, and now even actors out of the trilogy.

Also this is as good a time as any to point out that I don't think it would be wise to use the title "Bowling For Coruscant" as I don't think it would be wise to associate ourselves and our film with Michael Moore in any way even in a playful way. Many, many people hate Michael Moore, and I think that basing the title off of the title of one of his shameless propaganda pieces could alienate a significant number of potential supporters. That, and Moore is just a total piece of shit and we shouldn't associate ourselves with him, he's a shameless propagandist with no credibility, why would we want to guilt ourselves by association to that? Anyway, there is plenty of time to come up with titles, that is the least of our problem, let's worry about getting this project off the ground first. We don't need a title until it is done, let's get it started!
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COUNT ME IN - IF there is anything that I can do to help PLEASE let me know!!!!

MAN - If I wasn't working on this damn short film......... (If I could only make a Clone of myself )

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Hey guys, I was talking to a couple of my co-workers today about this project...and they've re-enforced my opinion that a documentary about George Lucas would be more effective than only focusing on "we want the originals on dvd." The latter is basically just a plea, and really isn't enough for a documentary. Also, for such a simple focus, it's taking all of us a very long time to communicate with eachother and actually get the ball rolling. And on top of that it's kind of hard for me to put my foot down and say "this is what we need to do and this is how we need to do it" without sounding like a know-it-all.

So no hard feelings, but I'm going to go ahead and start working on my documentary concerning George Lucas taking too much credit.

Once you guys have a solid sequence put together for your documentary, I'll be happy to add in any kind of effects, transitions, graphics, or titles that you need. I'll come back here and check on how this project is moving along every now and then, but I'm just letting you guys know I'm probably not going to be an active voice in it. And if you want to do titles and all that on your own that won't hurt my feelings

If anyone wants to help me out, just let me know (you can read the posts between rattlehead and myself from earlier in this conversation to get a better idea of what I'm talking about).
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so they think something along the lines of GL: How to Lose Your Focus Through Continual Meddling is what we should be aiming for?

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