Alright so first off, this is a discussion that I didn't even want to get into. It's simply something that bothers me about this whole thing. There's all this talk of preserving potential life but the line is conveniently drawn at making it inconvenient for guys. It's as though making them preserve the potential lives in a freezer is way too much to ask for. Yet when it comes down to the health and life of women it's like "tough you had sex. Deal with it." Equating it with slave labour, reckless car crashes and the like.Warbler said:
I don't get this sperm argument you are trying to make.
Of course, heck as Frink points out there's even more value in an egg cell than a sperm cell. Though an egg cell really can't be preserved as easily as a sperm cell can. Going to donate sperm isn't exactly the invasive procedure donating eggs is. Could even get a mini freezer and preserve the sperm in the comfort of your own home.Warbler said:
1. why are you always trying to argruing about the value of a sperm cell and not that of an egg cell? Logically, whatever value is of a sperm cell, the egg cell should be valued the same
It's not difficult for me to understand it's a cell. Though the big argument here is about what makes a person. A fetus is still not the same as a baby that has been born. Especially in it's early stages when if someone were to put it on the table right in front of your eyes you wouldn't see a damn thing.Warbler said:
2. why is it so difficult for you to understand that sperm is just a cell? Yes it has the potential to create a human life if joined with an egg cell, but until then it is just a cell. There is a big difference between something that has the potential to create a human life, and something that actually is a human life. It is when the egg and sperm combine that a new separate and unque human life is created. Again, you don't have cake batter until the ingredients are combined.
Is it really unfair when, as it's been reminded to me in these recent posts, even if a woman does get an abortion there are still possible health risks to her? Either way she doesn't get away without consequence.Warbler said:
Unfortunately, nothing can change the fact that nature gave the ability to carry the child to term to the mother and not the father. However unfair it is, it can not be helped. Please also remember that men who are not decent and honorable, can be forced to pay child support. Which does lead to an interesting question. If the father wanted the child aborted and the mother decided not to abort the child, should a father have to pay child support in that case? Can a father absolve himself of all legal responsiblity for the child because he wanted it aborted and the mother said no? Kinda seems unfair to me that with abortion, a woman has the ability to eliminate all responsiblity for the child, yet the father has no option of avoiding legal responsibility.
That said yeah a guy can still avoid paying the child support. It'd just take cutting off any and all ties to their previous lives but it could be done. Basically a guy could potentially "disappear" from the eyes of the government. Takes a while, like a year or three, but it could be done and he'd not have to pay any child support anymore. Yes he risks becoming homeless but that's just how it is. Course he could just do it the quick and absolute moronic way too and just sell all his stuff and fly to some foreign country with no plan whatsoever. There are options.
