^Which is essentially an admission that yours is not, given that you oppose one and favor the other.
Bingowings said:
thejediknighthusezni said:
^ So then, when you are sound asleep or passed out drunk, you're cool with having anyone who finds you inconvenient tear you to shreds instead of waiting whatever period of time is necessarry for you to awake and display these qualities of personhood?
Dude, I sure wouldn't let the gang pushing the global warming fraud and Agenda 21 hear you say that!
There is a difference between a sleeping person and an non-existent one and I never said I was 'cool' about abortion either.
In debates like these people (a fetus and a baby can't do this) wave silly little flags like 'person' and 'human rights' around. Where is the personhood of the more developed and aware animal? Where are the human rights for pigs?
People are aborted every day in hospitals. When the old are the uncommunicative are left without food or water to 'pass away" and yet the calls against these actions are tiny compared to the abortion issue because babies are cute and old and disabled people are probably even more inconvenient than an unwanted pregnancy.
People who will defend the rights of a fetus while munching on a close cousin are a maze of contradictions.
Why is personhood defined by self-awareness? Who made that definition? Oh yes, people advocating a certain position on abortion. Why am I not allowed to define a person differently? You seem very stuck on the concept of personhood as if its definition is inherent and beyond debate.
The elderly are allowed to die because, well, they are dying. It is not about inconvenience. If you think about it, most people that reach that age have been preserved long past when nature would have taken its course, were it not for a pacemaker or anticoagulant therapy or dialysis treatments. Loved ones are usually the ones who push to preserve elderly people, even after those people would have rather chosen to die. There comes a point where it's futile and causes perpetual misery. It is not an abortion.
But as for animal rights, it is something on my mind. I do eat meat and I do not oppose it, but I oppose the cruel treatment of animals. I have seen pictures and videos of little chicks getting ground up and other cruel ways of killing off animals. I don't like it at all, and I believe we should legislate against animal cruelty, even for animals whose only destiny is to make chicken nuggets or pork chops. I wouldn't even mind starting a thread about it.