TV's Frink said:

darth_ender said:

TV's Frink said:

Warbler said:

TV's Frink said:

darth_ender said:

And the way and most pro-abortion individuals defines it is ultimately just an excuse to avoid the natural consequences of sex in the vast majority of cases.

Did you miss Ender's stats?

So what's the alternative? Because the typical response is "don't have sex if you don't want a baby."

It can be done. Sex is primarily for baby creation, and the pleasures involved ensure survival of the species.

Sex is for whatever you want as long as you have a willing partner who has the ability to consent without coercion. If a couple has a condom fail and they don't wait thirty weeks, I see no problem with abortion.

Well, that's convenient. No, from a pure, 100% evolutionary, non-Creationist viewpoint, sex is primarily for one purpose: ensuring the continuation of all species that reproduce sexually. All other purposes, while important, are secondary. I love to make love to my wife as an expression of my affection for her. But to think I can somehow do that without the consequences of potential pregnancy, then I am deluding myself. And to believe that I can simply kill a small, underdeveloped human being because it is not yet a person, all because I want to enjoy the fun of sex without the consequences, then I am irresponsible and a moron.

Many people find alcohol fun. But you know what? There are consequences, ranging from making foot-in-the-mouth comments to falling and injuring onceself to getting into a car accident or going into a coma and dying. What about skydiving. It's a real thrill for many. It's also risky. It's a risk people take for a little fun. But every choice, even fun ones, have consequences. It's best if we can not take others' lives to avoid those consequences.