Bingowings said:

It sounds more like you are over romanticising the wiggles, farts and screams of the babies you know.

They feel pain yes, they feel cold or hungry but they have no concept of where to go with these impulses other than instinctively make a loud noise.

Over time they begin to develop into people so by the time they are eating solids and labeling things with sounds they are along same lines as a kitten but not quite as smart and aware as a chicken.

Those who eat chicken are worse than abortionists, they are eating a toddler's worth of awareness.

This is was all started by you saying a very silly thing.

That a fetus is a person.

You can insist this until you are blue in the face but it just plain isn't.

That doesn't instantly make it right to churn them up chuck them away in the same way that infanticide is not a generally done thing but dumbing down and emotively stewing the issue by saying something as clearly incorrect as a fetus being a person is doing the debate a disservice.

Solent Green however..l.

And how many children do you and your significant other have?

Now I don't mean that to sound rude, but clearly you have not produced offspring, and I find it hard to believe you know better than I do.

Now let me use your insanely tough logic. You can insist that a fetus is not a person till you are blue in the face, but it just plain is.

A newborn demonstrates more intelligence than a chicken or mouse in all its years, and it merely lacks experience and motor skills. Intelligence is not a matter of knowledge gained, but capacity to gain.

I can see the argument that an embryo with no developed nervous system is not a person, but I still disagree because I do not define a person the way you do. And the way and most pro-abortion individuals defines it is ultimately just an excuse to avoid the natural consequences of sex in the vast majority of cases.