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DarthJedi said:

Well, at least Luke and Leia had just a kiss and didn't take it any further, that would make things re-e-e-...-a-a-ally awkward O_o 

That's only assuming that incest is as big a taboo subject in the SW Universe as it is in the real world. *whistle*

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Good point. Even in reality there are many countries, and even some states in which it's not forbidden, so yeah. *whistle?* :)

"Who I am is not important, my message is." Revan

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Doesn't make sense that Storm Troopers are clones of a bad-ass bounty hunter but are all killed easily in episode IV.

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RetroAlien said:

Doesn't make sense that Storm Troopers are clones of a bad-ass bounty hunter but are all killed easily in episode IV.

That's a bit of a non sequitur. There's no reason to believe clones of a bad-ass bounty hunter would be good soldiers, or even good bounty hunters. There are a lot of genetic components that contribute to military fitness (above average endurance, strength, stress response, intelligence), but they are not sufficient for being a good soldier. Boba Fett, while crafty, does not seem to have been an especially good close-quarters fighter.

And I don't think they are easily killed in Episode IV. I think we see three die boarding the Tantive IV, and another was shot by a concealed Princess while they were searching the ship for droids. Two were killed on the Millennium Falcon after it had already been declared safe by an officer. After that, the stormtroopers are under orders to permit the safe passage of the Rebels back to the Falcon, so we don't see their combat effectiveness. In the SE, we even see that most of the stormtroopers have been ordered to wait in a TIE hangar, so they don't interfere with the Rebels' daring escape. So there are perhaps three killed in direct combat, three killed in special circumstances, and a number sacrificed for the glory of the Empire. Not enough to draw a conclusion as to the effectiveness of a force that must number in the millions or billions, but the ones we did see were pretty competent and not easy to kill.

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RetroAlien said:

Doesn't make sense that Storm Troopers are clones of a bad-ass bounty hunter but are all killed easily in episode IV.

 Not necessary to post that in more than one topic.

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Guys, think about all the "badass" clone troopers in II and III. In II it was said that they age twice faster than normal human. So for clones it wasn't 20 years between III and IV, it was 40. Most of them were 20 "clone years" in Ep.II. Now add 40, we got 60, and that isn't a prime age for a soldier. So only young clones, made during  Clone Wars, would become Stormproopers later. So there are two explanations to most Stormtroopers to be not as good: ether the new army of clones wasn't nearly as good as original, or most of them are not clones at all.

EU stated that the cloning facilities were shut down after cloners uprising, which means that only some of the Imperial Stortroopers are clones, while majority are regular humans, who aren't nearly as good.

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Do they slow down to a normal aging rate at some point, or is the number of years they remain in their prime really short?

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Where were you in '77?

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   RAAAAGE!!!!  I just made a long-er post and the damn thing glitched out! I go to the Dark Side! But first, the question...

   As far as I know clones life can be up to two times shorter than regular humans. Aging process might slow down when they are in their prime, but once they start getting old, aging goes back to fast, or can even become faster than before because of factors like stress. It was Kaminoans way to make clones, there were other. This way was just fine for Sidious' plan, and if not for Kaminos cloners uprising, he'd be making new generations.

  Clones kept serving as Stromtroopers after CW, while younger ones were trained to become them until all was shut. As for new recruits, clones were very displeased with them. Clone CC-2224, older CW veteran, would call new troopers idiots who embarrass once remarkable military force.

   For me OT the non-clone Stormtroopers are like Separatists Battle Droids: not very efficient, but are dangerous because of large numbers.

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Darth Id said:

Since when are Stormtroopers clones?

 Just what I am saying, they are not. At least for the most part.

"Who I am is not important, my message is." Revan

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Of course, the fact that none of the stormtroopers with spoken lines have Jango's voice or accent doesn't matter in the slightest. 

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In Star Wars Battlefront 2 it's established that after the revolt on Kamino the Empire started using more than just Jango Fett as a template, and that stormtroopers are cloned from more than one source.

It still sucks balls though, and yet again diminishes something else of the OT.

IMO the way in which Lucas handled the Clone Wars was a complete mess. The name 'Clone Wars' hints at mass armies of clones being used on both sides, throwing endless people at each other in brutal wars where the worth of man is completely non existent. Instead we just get the same guy shooting stupid robots over and over. 

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Of course, the fact that none of the stormtroopers with spoken lines have Jango's voice or accent doesn't matter in the slightest. 

 

The Stormy who bangs his head has no lines of dialogue. It's possible he was a Jango clone, even though the Stormies with dialogue were not.

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kane1138 said:

DuracellEnergizer said:

Of course, the fact that none of the stormtroopers with spoken lines have Jango's voice or accent doesn't matter in the slightest. 

 

The Stormy who bangs his head has no lines of dialogue. It's possible he was a Jango clone, even though the Stormies with dialogue were not.

I don't understand how head banging is a genetic trait...

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Tyrphanax said:

I don't understand how head banging is a genetic trait...

 I certainly don't see how an accent is a genetic trait either, but apparently some people on this thread do, so why not headbangerism?

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I dunno, I think the majority of posters here felt like making Boba sound like Jango was a really bad idea.

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Guys... Are you freaking kidding? The head bung was just a joke, a reference, that should not be taken seriously. If you take everything seriously, then the alien from E.T. is a part of SW, because there are few of them in the background in the Senate. But why are they really there? It's an "easter egg", a joke. Don't forget that Star Wars are MOVIES, a fiction, not a freaking documentary.

"Who I am is not important, my message is." Revan

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DarthJedi said:

Guys... Are you freaking kidding? The head bung was just a joke, a reference, that should not be taken seriously. If you take everything seriously, then the alien from E.T. is a part of SW, because there are few of them in the background in the Senate. But why are they really there? It's an "easter egg", a joke. Don't forget that Star Wars are MOVIES, a fiction, not a freaking documentary.

Too true. After all, when you take things too seriously, you end up with stupidity like this.

 http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/Conan_Antonio_Motti#Naming_origins

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How about Obi's line "How uncivilized" when he kills Greivous.

That's a gag line paying off a line he wont say for two more movies!

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TheBoost said:

How about Obi's line "How uncivilized" when he kills Greivous.

That's a gag line paying off a line he wont say for two more movies!

 The line "an elegant weapon for a more civilized age" is in the next film.

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TheBoost said:

How about Obi's line "How uncivilized" when he kills Greivous.

That's a gag line paying off a line he wont say for two more movies!

 If you want to get into that, all the allusions are rendered just as baffling if watched "in order" as they are unnecessary when watched as released:

"This is where the fun begins."  [Why is Han saying what Analkid said...?]

"I have a baaad feeling about this."  [Why do all the people in this galaxy say that all the time...?]