Ryan McAvoy said:
TK-949 said:
[EDIT]: Ahhh, dammit, doubleofive was faster.Yay it looks like an anamatronic, latex-faced, puppety, small-person (Old Chinaman*) thing!
Die CGI, thy rain of terror is ended! JJ Abrams knowest thou not!
(* Kidding! Kidding!)
So real sets, puppets and CG actors this time around? Neat.
:P
Yep CGI set extensions and space battles, I think all he can do practical he will
TK-949 said:
Looks like a crature from Labyrith. You can see the puppeteers head turn in the video (in the cage above the birdy things).
I was reminded of the creepy hoarding junk lady, who is performed in a similar way.
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Tobar said:
I love that they're going more practical with the creature effects. HOWEVER, that alien looks a little too Jim Henson-y.
You say that like it's a bad thing! ;)
I'd be very surprised if they were not involved.
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So excited. Real props. Real aliens... not a green or blue screen in sight.
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by "Jim Hensony" I think he means "cartoony". The cartoony aliens are one of the many things I don't like about ROTJ.
I know as big OT fans we all love practical creature effects but that thing in the JJ video looked horrible.
The creature shop at ILM for Jedi (where 99% of the creatures looked great) knew what to hide and how to make a creature look alive even when it was just some latex plastic thing. Most of it has to do with great design and lighting. Jabba is a masterful example. Some of his close shots didn't look that good but his mediums were stunningly real. All due to lighting and talent.
The reason some CG works well in broad daylight (think Sebulba) is because if done correctly you had a bigger chance of looking real then say a latex creature fully exposed in light where you can see materials, man in suit etc. The practical creature team on the prequels was pretty bad though. Just look at Yoda...
My point is its a mix. If your going to do practical creatures you need insane talent and good lighting to make it work. As it stands, that creature in the video was poorly designed and downright awful. Sorry JJ. Broad daylight today you need CG unless you got Phil Tippet working for you who has some new technique up his sleeve
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I like Phil Tippet's body of work not just on the star wars trilogy but even he is not above criticism. He has been critical of Lucas have you seen Starship Troopers II which Tippet directed?
“Always loved Vader’s wordless self sacrifice. Another shitty, clueless, revision like Greedo and young Anakin’s ghost. What a fucking shame.” -Simon Pegg.
Like I said, I think this creature will probably feature in the movie walking in the far back of a wide shot and for that it is just fine and it would be pointless to make it more detailed (like in the original SW, a lot of those background aliens would have looked horrible under closer inspection but they worked just fine as just a part of a background crowd). And I think this creature has been featured so prominently in that clip is because it's partly a joke and partly because they don't want to show us the good ones yet.
The backdrop reminds me a lot more of episode I than Star Wars '77.
More Mos espa than mos eisley.
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ratpack1961 said:
I know as big OT fans we all love practical creature effects but that thing in the JJ video looked horrible.
The creature shop at ILM for Jedi (where 99% of the creatures looked great) knew what to hide and how to make a creature look alive even when it was just some latex plastic thing. Most of it has to do with great design and lighting. Jabba is a masterful example. Some of his close shots didn't look that good but his mediums were stunningly real. All due to lighting and talent.
The reason some CG works well in broad daylight (think Sebulba) is because if done correctly you had a bigger chance of looking real then say a latex creature fully exposed in light where you can see materials, man in suit etc. The practical creature team on the prequels was pretty bad though. Just look at Yoda...
My point is its a mix. If your going to do practical creatures you need insane talent and good lighting to make it work. As it stands, that creature in the video was poorly designed and downright awful. Sorry JJ. Broad daylight today you need CG unless you got Phil Tippet working for you who has some new technique up his sleeve
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Sebulba's third cousin twice removed didn't look so hot cut and pasted into Jabba's Palace though. ;)
We're probably all over analyzing a background character with very little screen time. They're not going to give away the candy store this early in the game.
Wasn't Jabba Stuart Freeborn's baby? In the old documentaries, it doesn't appear Jabba is being made at ILM with the other aliens.
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How are they going to do practical effects when the practical effects unit folded along time ago inside ILM. Even the former ILM guy they sold the unit to went bankrupt and closed his doors.
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skyjedi2005 said:
The backdrop reminds me a lot more of episode I than Star Wars '77.
More Mos espa than mos eisley.
This was my one concern, but we certainly didn't see all of Mos Eisley in Star Wars, so who knows.
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Every town must have a marketplace of sorts. We never saw the "red light" district that wretched hive of scum and villainy must have.
It could even be Anchorhead for all we know. The town I mean. ;)
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SilverWook said:
Every town must have a marketplace of sorts. We never saw the "red light" district that wretched hive of scum and villainy must have.
It could even be Anchorhead for all we know. The town I mean. ;)
Oooh, I'd love to see some sweet Anchorhead action.
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Good point that ILM shut down their practical effects shop. That's pretty sad to hear. I wonder if Henson's group is working on episode 7.
That sebulba example from Jedi is pretty terrible :) I think bad cg takes you out of the film more (reminds you it isn't real) then say a badly done physical creature effect.
timdiggerm said:
by "Jim Hensony" I think he means "cartoony". The cartoony aliens are one of the many things I don't like about ROTJ.
SE or OOT? In the SE, Sy Snootles has CGI lips and eye-lashes and sings a song in English that is completely out of place for the time and place. Practically like a Disney movie.
In the OOT, Sy Snootles sings in an alien language and looks really alien. I love that. The party is violent and decadent and Salacious Crumb laughs so much because he is drunk.
SilverWook said:
TK-949 said:
Looks like a crature from Labyrith. You can see the puppeteers head turn in the video (in the cage above the birdy things).
I was reminded of the creepy hoarding junk lady, who is performed in a similar way.
Sy Snootles doesn't sing in English in the SE. It's still horrible as f*ck, don't get me wrong, but she does sing in an alien language in the SE too.
CG Snootles should be drawn and quartered for how bad she sounded and looked.
I have to say that creature in the background of that picture also looks somewhat like one of the Mystics from The Dark Crystal which makes me think again that this movie might be alot like those dark Jim Henson movies and/or as dark as Return To Oz and The Black Cauldron.
What’s worse George Lucas changing the OT or selling the rights to Disney
Tyrphanax said:
Oooh, I'd love to see some sweet Anchorhead action.
Hey! I'm not that kind of girl. ;-)
I thought the backdrop looked like one of Ralph's paintings of Mos Eisley streets.
timdiggerm said:
by "Jim Hensony" I think he means "cartoony". The cartoony aliens are one of the many things I don't like about ROTJ.
Yeah. This looked like shit. "The Dark Crystal" is okay I guess. Labyrinth was an abomination.
Henson was a neat guy. He wasn't a god. The muppets are massively overrated. I hope this is a background character and not indicative of the shit we'll see on screen.
Imrahil said:
Yeah. This looked like shit. "The Dark Crystal" is okay I guess. Labyrinth was an abomination.
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