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Who should the villain(s) of the sequel trilogy be? (if the sequel trilogy has villains) — Page 9

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I'm down for that.

Drop the dark Jedi thing though.

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Tyrphanax said:

Drop the dark Jedi thing though.

Especially considering that Mandos can wield sabers (as seen in TCW).

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Didn't realize there were Mandalorians in TCW.  I thought all the junk about them was all EU and hence nixed.  That kind of ruins it then.  Pretty lame that they wielded lightsabers too.  Idea would be to have this ancient warrior race that we know nothing about come into the galaxy.  

And there's gonna be a dark Jedi in the new trilogy, or the equivalent thereof.  It does seem lame after the ends of Palpatine & Vader, but the fact remains that we're going to need some enemy for Luke's apprentice.  

I think the best that we can hope is that it's a new dark Jedi that has a really different personality from what we've seen.  Maybe one that's freaking nuts or one that's hyper intelligent, or both.  

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spectraljulian said:

Didn't realize there were Mandalorians in TCW.  I thought all the junk about them was all EU and hence nixed.

The writers of TCW never tried to be 100% in-line with the EU, but they often adopted and modified aspects of the EU that they liked/wanted in the show.

Pretty lame that they wielded lightsabers too.

I didn't watch the whole show, but I'm sure only Pre Vizsla was shown wielding a lightsaber, and it was a stolen lightsaber at that, so I personally don't see any problem with it.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

Pretty lame that they wielded lightsabers too.

I didn't watch the whole show, but I'm sure only Pre Vizsla was shown wielding a lightsaber, and it was a stolen lightsaber at that, so I personally don't see any problem with it.

The thing is that Jedi practise lightsabre day and night from a very early age and augment its use with the force in order to be able to compete with guys who use blasters. A non force-sensitive using a stolen lightsabre makes no sense to me.

I particularly believe that lightsabre is more or less useless if one does not posses the ability to use force.

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How about something like the Imperial Knights from the Legacy comics? They serve a dictator but have no desire for unlimited power or to give in to their hate.

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imperialscum said:

I particularly believe that lightsabre is more or less useless if one does not posses the ability to use force.

Which would make sense, if the lightsaber could only be activated by a Force-sensitive. However, most lightsabers can be activated with an old-fashioned push of a button. Han even uses one to cut open a tauntaun.

I think too many people put too much importance on the lightsaber as a Jedi weapon. It's a glowing energy sword, plain and simple, not the Ark of the Covenant.

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DuracellEnergizer said:

I'd prefer Mandalorians to wield swords of Mandalorian iron over lightsabers.

Me too. Vibroblades are just fine with me.

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spectraljulian said:

Didn't realize there were Mandalorians in TCW.  I thought all the junk about them was all EU and hence nixed.

The writers of TCW never tried to be 100% in-line with the EU, but they often adopted and modified aspects of the EU that they liked/wanted in the show.

Pretty lame that they wielded lightsabers too.

I didn't watch the whole show, but I'm sure only Pre Vizsla was shown wielding a lightsaber, and it was a stolen lightsaber at that, so I personally don't see any problem with it.

Yeah, it's only Vizsla (the leader of the Death Watch remnant) who uses it. And it's not even a traditional lightsaber. It's a "darksaber" (hurr hurr), which is one of the more ancient versions of what we see by the time of the PT and OT that was captured as a trophy by the Mandalorians in an ancient battle and passed down through generations.

I believe Dave wanted to just give him a vibroblade, but Lucas didn't like the idea of something that wasn't a lightsaber being able to block one.

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imperialscum said:

I particularly believe that lightsabre is more or less useless if one does not posses the ability to use force.

Which would make sense, if the lightsaber could only be activated by a Force-sensitive. However, most lightsabers can be activated with an old-fashioned push of a button. Han even uses one to cut open a tauntaun.

I think too many people put too much importance on the lightsaber as a Jedi weapon. It's a glowing energy sword, plain and simple, not the Ark of the Covenant.

But it is "the weapon of the Jedi Knight".

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Probably because most people think like Han. What use is a sword if you don't know how to use it? Learning how to use a blaster is easy.

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Tyrphanax said:

 

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imperialscum said:

I particularly believe that lightsabre is more or less useless if one does not posses the ability to use force.

Which would make sense, if the lightsaber could only be activated by a Force-sensitive. However, most lightsabers can be activated with an old-fashioned push of a button. Han even uses one to cut open a tauntaun.

I think too many people put too much importance on the lightsaber as a Jedi weapon. It's a glowing energy sword, plain and simple, not the Ark of the Covenant.

But it is "the weapon of the Jedi Knight".

Yes, but that doesn't mean all Jedi should use them/non-Jedi shouldn't use them. 

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I dunno if I can agree with that totally. I feel like lightsabers are special weapons, and that to have or wield one should be cause for attention. They're not just a simple weapon, they're unique and tied to their Jedi wielders. They're a status symbol.

In some cases, I'm cool with it. I liked Grevous' trophy sabers, and I would have loved to see that expanded to other characters, like Boba Fett (or someone new) in a future film. And I don't mind seeing someone non-Jedi wield a saber, as long as it's not everyone, because it just means that character was badass enough to take one off a Jedi.

I also certainly don't mind seeing Jedi use a blaster. Obi-Wan killing Grevous with a blaster was a great moment to me, and I'm excited to see Kanan use one in Rebels (I'd be glad if that was his main weapon, too), not to mention the indomitable Kyle Katarn. I don't think Jedi should be above using them, but I don't think they should be their main weapons. Now, with Luke's generation of Jedi, I think the blaster/saber combo a la ESB is totally okay.

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I've always felt like lightsabers are useless weapons for none force users. Blasters would be better for them. Think about how no one uses swords anymore. The difference being that lightsabers can block blaster beams, but only Jedi have the sensitivity to actually do that. 

Also, when lightsabers used to be heavy, it would not be advantageous for non Jedi to use them in a duel or otherwise.

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DominicCobb said:

I've always felt like lightsabers are useless weapons for none force users. Blasters would be better for them. Think about how no one uses swords anymore. The difference being that lightsabers can block blaster beams, but only Jedi have the sensitivity to actually do that. 

Also, when lightsabers used to be heavy, it would not be advantageous for non Jedi to use them in a duel or otherwise.

 This I agree with.

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imperialscum said:

I particularly believe that lightsabre is more or less useless if one does not posses the ability to use force.

Which would make sense, if the lightsaber could only be activated by a Force-sensitive. However, most lightsabers can be activated with an old-fashioned push of a button. Han even uses one to cut open a tauntaun.

I think too many people put too much importance on the lightsaber as a Jedi weapon. It's a glowing energy sword, plain and simple, not the Ark of the Covenant.

I think you missed the point. I don't want any technological limitation. It is just that if a non force-sensitive used lightsabre to fight someone with a blaster, he would stand no chance.

It only make sense to use it when one possesses force power to predict opponents actions and blaster fire, and augment the strength and speed to be able to deflect it.

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imperialscum said:

I think you missed the point. I don't want any technological limitation. It is just that if a non force-sensitive used lightsabre to fight someone with a blaster, he would stand no chance.

It only make sense to use it when one possesses force power to predict opponents actions and blaster fire, and augment the strength and speed to be able to deflect it.

In that case, I agree. My argument was mainly about non-Force users using lightsabers in duels against other lightsaber-wielding opponents.

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Harry Knowles

"My original source had told me back in January that Abu Dhabi was a location, and when that came to be, he sent me a scoop that the title for STAR WARS EPISODE VII was THE ANCIENT FEAR.  

Tonight...  a source that I'm told to call Col. Mustard claimed completely on his own that "the working title" was THE ANCIENT FEAR....


He also stated that "it refers to Max Von Sydow's villain who makes Pazuzu look like a pussy!"

I would NOT want to see Palpatine reduced to a mere front figure; so much of the story depends on him genuinely being the Big Bad. But perhaps the Bigger Bad was out there, biding his time and maybe even using the Rebellion as his instrument to effect vengeance on Palpatine. (Maybe it was Plagueis who made sure the Rebels got the Death Star plans, for instance?)

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If von Sydow plays Plagueis, I'm out. I don't care if he happens to be one of my favourite actors, I don't care if he plays the part to perfection; if the name "Plagueis" rears its ugly head even once in Ep. VII, I will refuse to watch it or any of the sequels after it.

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As Palpatine killed Plagueis, I don't think it's very likely.

Where were you in '77?

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Maybe he missed of Plaqueis found a way to physically escape death, that's what he is famed for (along with being a lousy judge of character) it would make narrative sense.Max Von who is getting on a bit playing someone who could cheat death doesn't really work for me. Surely such a being would be able rejuvenate himself as well.

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If DP was still alive, I would think he would have tried to take Palpatine out before he rose to power. It isn't that hard to hire a hitman in the SW universe.

Cooling your heels for over fifty years doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me.

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What's with the internet's Plagueis fetish? I don't see any reason to doubt that Palpatine killed Plagueis. In fact, I find it more likely that Plagueis never existed than I do that Plagueis survived.