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Originally posted by: GundarkHunter
How many discs it will be is debatable; Sony has just announced a prototype of an 8-layer Blu-Ray disc, and believes that 4-layer ones will be commmercially viable. The mind reels....


a 4 layer 100 gigabit disc would be some feet. With that you could fit the entire 4 disc Lord of the Rings extended edition set in high definition on one Blu-Ray. Another very exciting prospect.
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Actually, given that a single layer Blu-Ray will fit 50GB, a 4-layer would be something on the order of ~160GB. Dizzying.

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Actually, given that a single layer Blu-Ray will fit 50GB, a 4-layer would be something on the order of ~160GB. Dizzying.


Blu-Ray has a maximum of 27 gigabits per layer. They have devoloped dual layer discs with 54 gigabits of capacity and quadlayer discs with 100 gigabits of capacity.
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More news JVC has just joined the Blu-Ray association. Blu-Ray now has 14 big companies supporting it.
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FOX HAS JUST JOINED BLU-RAY ALSO.


Not really. They still haven't said for sure which format they will release titles in. Still Fox's joining is the first time any non-Sony studio has shown intrest in Blu-Ray. Fox is also a member of the DVD forum and voted for HD-DVD so there are no garuntees for that studio.
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FROM VIDEO STORE MAGAZINE

FOX JOINS BLU-RAY HD GROUP

TWENTIETH CENTURY FOX HAS JOINED BLU-RAY DISC FOUNDERS (BDF), A GROUP OF COMPANIES INVOLVED IN A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT TO PROVIDE INPUT FOR THE FORMAT'S DEVELOPMENT.


FOR THE WHOLE ARTICLE GO TO www.Hive4media.com.

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FROM VIDEO STORE MAGAZINE

FOX JOINS BLU-RAY HD GROUP

TWENTIETH CENTURY FOX HAS JOINED BLU-RAY DISC FOUNDERS (BDF), A GROUP OF COMPANIES INVOLVED IN A COLLABORATIVE EFFORT TO PROVIDE INPUT FOR THE FORMAT'S DEVELOPMENT.


FOR THE WHOLE ARTICLE GO TO www.Hive4media.com.


Like I said. Fox has joined the group for collaborating the format but have not just commited to releasing titles on that format. I have already explained this well.
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But support is what counts at this point....

Sony says that the PS3 is going to be Blu-Ray ready.

I feel that the Gaming World has a MAJOR impact on media format nowadays. Look how many folks (adults included) bought the PS2 for the DVD player features - Most homes with a PS2 or X-Box no longer have or use a standalone DVD player as they both offer GREAT DVD playback along with the gaming ability - I also feel that the REAL convergance of the Home Theater and the PC will take place with the X-Box2 and the PS3.

But since Sony has Blu-Ray on the brain already (including set-top recorders ALREADY on the market in Asia.....) and now that FOX has tossed in "support" it's really only a matter of time now.

JUST a thought here but I bet that FOX supports the format for "COPYRIGHT" reasons as do the other partners....

As a PC/MAC based Blu-Ray recorder is YEARS away before it becomes "affordable" - Media is always secure until that point - VHS~ had Macrovision, CD~ There were NO affordable set-top CD recorders for at least 10-15 years AFTER CD was a "commercially viable product" then they had the failed MediaMax CD3 and DVD's have Regional lock, CGMS and CSS to prevent duplication.....


ANYWAY - I support Blu-Ray

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I can get behind Blu-Ray.


BTW Rikter, you forgot one attempt @ copy control: SCMS, which was used with DAT and DCC.

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I hate format wars. Next on the horizon (and much sooner than Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD) is SACD vs. DualDisc (the new version of DVD-Audio, which will play on both conventional CD players and DVD players).

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New decisions!

Man, for the hell of it I seperated my dvds by studio to see if I favored one side. Unless 20th Century Fox chooses HD-DVD, I'm split evenly down the middle.

How do you guys make out?
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HD-DVD will win, because it is the inferior format.

and Sony is backing Blu-Ray. that is a death sentence right there.

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I hate format wars. Next on the horizon (and much sooner than Blu-Ray vs. HD-DVD) is SACD vs. DualDisc (the new version of DVD-Audio, which will play on both conventional CD players and DVD players).


Don't forget that there is also the Hybrid SACD which plays on both. I tried one out recently (Albert King and Stevie Ray Vaughan live set) and it works perfectly fine on a conventional CD/DVD player. So DualDisc is not alone and the Hybrids are already available.
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I just counted hybrid as a subgroup; besides, hybrid SACD makes a whole lot more sense than DualDisc.

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Why's that?
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DualDisc is trying to fix a problem that doesn't exist. Hybrid SACD is a forward-thinking solution.

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Disney has officially announced its support for BluRay. This from TheDigitalBits...

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So here's where we stand as of today:

HD-DVD Supporting Studios - Warner Bros., New Line, Paramount, Universal, HBO

Likely HD-DVD Supporters - DreamWorks (because of its ties to Universal)

Blu-ray Disc Supporting Studios - Columbia TriStar/Sony Pictures, Buena Vista (Walt Disney, Hollywood, Touchstone, Miramax and Dimension)

Likely Blu-ray Disc Supporters - MGM (soon to be owned by Sony)

Officially Undecided - 20th Century Fox, Lions Gate, Image, Anchor Bay, Criterion and many smaller distributors

Discouraged yet? Yeah, so are we. We're going to have to seriously think about how we want to respond to all this.


Unless they come out with a player that plays both BluRay and HD as well as being backward compatible with standard DVD (which TDB.com says is very likely and several companies are currently working on it), I'm riding out the storm until the industry settles on one or the other.
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Same here.

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And you just know that Jimbo's lurking on the forums just chomping at the bit to respond to all this. He preferred BluRay, didn't he?
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I think manufacturer support is going to come into play at some point.

The vast majority of manufacturers are behind BluRay--Matsushita (Panasonic), Sony, Phillips, Pioneer, Dell, HP, etc.

HD-DVD has NEC (what have they done lately in the consumer sector?), Toshiba (makers of the world's worst DVD players), and I believe Samsung (makers of the world's second worst DVD players).

Think Toshiba, NEC, and Samsung can keep up with hardware demand? No way.

The victor will most likely be decided by the enthusiasts who purchase the first decks. The vast majority of people I've spoken with are firmly behind BluRay or plan on purchasing both.

It's the killer film arsenal brought to the table by the studios that will ultimately decide the outcome though. Both sides have strong content.
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I'm thinking whichever way Fox decides to go for sure will be the way the scales really tip. Fox has a pretty damn large library.
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I wonder if some of the Blu-Ray manufacturers will also put out HD-DVD decks. Pioneer officially backs DVD-R, but they put out burners that do both - and +R/RW DVD's and +R DL. They will also put out writers that do all of those and -R DL in the coming months.

I really torn on the whole thing and will have to wait for one clear winner as others have said. I like Blu-Ray for the manufacturers involved. I really don't care about the touted extra space because that comes at a price. For one, it is more expensive to manufacture Blu-Ray discs. Secondly, Blu-Ray discs put the data layer much closer to the surface which causes their discs to be a lot more susceptible to disc errors caused from scratches. TDK is supposed to be fixing that problem with a special polymer, but I don't know all of the details. I believe they sell current blanks with that polymer at 3 times the cost of regular blanks.

I like HD-DVD because it is the official standard set by the DVD Forum of which Pioneer and many others are a part of. It is also cheaper to produce because it existing DVD making machinery can be used to manufacture the HD-DVD discs. I know HD-DVD has less space, but it is just a durable as current DVD since the data layer is at the same depth. Also, are Blu-Ray discs going to fully utilize all of that extra space or are they just going to pad the discs with dummy material?

As for Disney, they have signed a non-exclusive deal with Blu-Ray. They will probably be releasing titles on both formats to maximize profits.

We also have to wait to see what the other studios like Image, Anchor Bay, and the Anime companies go with. They may be smaller than the majors, but they do put out a lot of content. Anime has really taken off in the US and far more titles are available on DVD than there ever were on VHS.

I think they should just work out their differences and come out with players that play both. I can't guess how each will utilize their disc space, but if you start seeing movies on Blu-Ray that only use 15-20Gb of space, that really didn't need that 50Gb of space and could have easily been put on HD-DVD. If they utilize more space for the film than HD-DVD can, then I see it as a clear advantage. I also don't mind it if HD-DVD would have to use a second disc for extras if they utilize all of the space on the first disc for the feature film. Lastly, I think if both worked together, Blu-Ray would be great for TV shows and HD-DVD for movies. But again, it depends on how each is going to utilize their disc space since both formats will use the same compression codecs. DVD wouldn't have been nearly as successful had their been two formats available. I really don't count DIVX since that didn't have any clear advantages over DVD in terms of quality and content.

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