Harmy's THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK Despecialized Edition HD - V2.0 - MKV & AVCHD (Released) — Page 52

n00b said:

kk650 said:

I don't see why the image quality of the footage taken from the blu-ray should be reduced just so the difference in quality between the GOUT footage and the blu-ray footage is less. That doesn't make much sense to me, that the blu-ray footage image quality should suffer for the sake of the GOUT footage, so the overall image quality of the encode is less.

The GOUT uprezes fine to 1080p, I should know, I reinstated Lapti Nek and the original Jedi Ghosts scene with Sebastian Shaw from the GOUT to my Return of the Jedi Semi-Specialised Edition, they look fine in 1080p alongside the blu-ray footage, I've never received any complaints. Harmy should be able do the same with his Despecialised releases now that he has the processing power.

Those are really bad examples, you know? The ghost scene looks good because there's nothing wrong about blurry ghosts and the Lapti Nek pictures that had to be taken from the GOUT are 100 % GOUT, so there's basically no compositing of both sources within the same picture. Furthermore, there's a second argument that was already presented by CatBus. Are you going to start another never-ending discussion as you did in Adywan's thread?

No, I wasn't planning to. Do I need your permission to post my thoughts in threads now n00b?

kk650 said:

No, I wasn't planning to. Do I need your permission to post my thoughts in threads now n00b?

Of course not, but as already said: Harmy's done the evaluation already. This is his project, no democracy and none of us has any claims against him. Do it yourself if you can do better. I doubt you can.

n00b said:

kk650 said:

No, I wasn't planning to. Do I need your permission to post my thoughts in threads now n00b?

Of course not, but as already said: Harmy's done the evaluation already. This is his project, no democracy and none of us has any claims against him. Do it yourself if you can do better. I doubt you can.

Whether I can do his own project better than him is irrelevant. Everybody has a right to express their opinion on whatever they want, irrespective of their level of expertise.

I'm not making claims or forcing Harmy to do anything, simply saying that his projects would be better in 1080p. Of that I am 100% certain. Are there obstacles? Certainly, as there are with any projects, making the GOUT and blu-ray footage more seamless would certainly be the trickiest.

With Harmy's new setup and abilities though I think he should at least give it a shot, he might be surprised at what he can make work now what he wasn't able to before. If I was him I would at least try, not leave the Despecialised Editions in 720p.

I agree 720p is a very good compromise.

CatBus said:

Found it:

The difference in detail is barely perceptible (aside from the color shift from the imperfect attempt to match color grading).  But yes, encoding at 1080p would allow those barely-perceptible differences to be included.

I do actually see a very noticable difference in image quality and detail between that 1080p and 720p shot CatBus, perhaps its my large monitor that makes the difference easier to see.

Thanks for that explanation Harmy, I can see why you wouldn't want to redo everything from scratch in 1080p. I wouldn't be in a rush to redo my Semi-Specialised Editions either if I lost all my project files and sources.

May the 4th be with you all

CatBus said:

kk650 said:

I do actually see a very noticable difference in image quality and detail between that 1080p and 720p shot CatBus, perhaps its my large monitor that makes the difference easier to see.

Uh-huh.

That said, I can see the difference between the 720p and 1080p images very clearly on my laptop as well so its probably just you. With all the releases and grading i've done, i'm guessing that my eyes are a little more fine tuned to such things than yours, no offense.

Of course, you'll believe whatever you want to believe, so who am I to stand in the way? Proceed.

Harmy said:

Well, I can actually see little to no difference myself, as apparently can Adywan, who also used the same picture to prove the same point. So maybe it's you :-)

 If you say so Harmy... ;)

kk650 said:

No, I wasn't planning to.

 Just an advanced troll or something...

n00b said:

kk650 said:

No, I wasn't planning to.

 Just an advanced troll or something...

Being told the truth when you don't want to hear it is painful, I understand. Doesn't make me a troll though. Believe me, you'd KNOW if I was trolling you.

That 1080p is inherently better than 720p is a concept that many here are having a difficult time understanding. It's like trying to make children understand that 2+2=4, not 3 like some here would have you believe for their own interests.

I'm beginning to see why so few bother posting constructive feedback on Harmy and Adywan's threads, everybody that says anything apart from blind praise is attacked by rabid fanboys like CatBus and n00b. I will not be wasting any more time posting in either Harmy or Adywan threads in future, rest assured. I have my own popular Star Wars releases to focus on.

@ kk650

The only relevant truth is that redoing 1,5 movies from scratch is impracticable. Therefore, any further discussion on that subject is only there for the sake of feeding your ego.

Harmy said:

Well, I can actually see little to no difference myself, as apparently can Adywan, who also used the same picture to prove the same point. So maybe it's you :-)

I see no differences that are clearly more or less detail. The differences I see are slight ones in the shading, for reasons mentioned previously. And if I squint really hard until I make myself see something that may or may not be there, it just barely works. And then I look down and see that the extra resolution I imagined was in the 720p version.

Perhaps there is more to notice in an actual moving image? *shrug*

At first, the images looked so similar, I was hoping that it was actually a trick, with identical images, to make a point about the placebo effect.

It would make for an interesting game, actually. Release some unlabeled images from both versions and see if we can visually identify them. 

kk650 said:

That 1080p is inherently better than 720p is a concept that many hear are having a difficult time understanding. It's like trying to make children understand that 2+2=4, not 3 like some here would have you believe for their own interests.

That's not true as well. It's simply more but if you have any adversarial objectives (such as time or disc space), "more" doesn't always mean "better".

I have a question:

I understand (with the aid of the image, especially), that the point is that the difference between 1080p and 720p in these transfers is less than the difference between the two resolutions for many other film transfers. This negatively impacts the benefit of switching to 1080p, especially given that work would need to begin from scratch.

Another point has been mentioned for this and other fanedits, that when SD-quality material is included, it of course sticks out and looks poorly in a 1080p production. Is this effect negated somewhat by the quality of the transfer? i.e., if the 1080p transfers are more akin to upscaled 720p, does that actually bode better for the SD material?