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DuracellEnergizer said:

TheBoost said:

Heck, my sister used to paint my nails and make me sing "Look at Me, I'm Sandra D." from Greese, and I still never wanted to snuggle up to a man.

It did make you want to make a woman suit for yourself, though, right? ;-) 

 Well that's a given. 

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That has to be a joke...but if it isn't, that's very, very sad.

This, however, is interesting. If the chances of being gay do in fact increase by a third with each older brother, and I understood what is meant by "a third" correctly, my youngest brother is 133% more likely to be gay than I was.

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I wish I was in film school. I'd write my the feminist film theory view of films about homosexual men.

"The Male Gaze of Male Gays"

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RicOlie_2 said:

That has to be a joke...but if it isn't, that's very, very sad.

This, however, is interesting. If the chances of being gay do in fact increase by a third with each older brother, and I understood what is meant by "a third" correctly, my youngest brother is 133% more likely to be gay than I was.

 

       I'm certain that if someone searched obsessively, a gene for a marginal increase in responsiveness to risk or resistance to toxicity could be found in 40% of carnival geeks.

       This researcher set out with a desperate hope of finding something and he managed to justify his funding.

        This is going to be used to "justify" stuff.

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What stuff would it justify?  Treating homosexuals like equals? OH NO LIFE IS RUINED!!!

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thejediknighthusezni said:

RicOlie_2 said:

That has to be a joke...but if it isn't, that's very, very sad.

This, however, is interesting. If the chances of being gay do in fact increase by a third with each older brother, and I understood what is meant by "a third" correctly, my youngest brother is 133% more likely to be gay than I was.

 

       I'm certain that if someone searched obsessively, a gene for a marginal increase in responsiveness to risk or resistance to toxicity could be found in 40% of carnival geeks.

       This researcher set out with a desperate hope of finding something and he managed to justify his funding.

        This is going to be used to justify stuff.

therajediknighthuzezni says :

As if... ohh, I refuse to speak of disgusting things, because they disgust me! You understand, boy? Go on, go tell her she'll not be appeasing her ugly appetite with MY food... or my son! Or do I have tell her because you don't have the guts! Huh, boy? You have the guts, boy?

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TV's Frink said:

What stuff would it justify?  Treating homosexuals like equals? OH NO LIFE IS RUINED!!!

    I'll give the researcher the benefit of the doubt, but the characters who militantly push this kind of thing have much more on their agenda than "equality" for their private practices.

    There are dudes out there who are careful to conduct their cross-dressing in private with the drapes drawn. This shows the most MINIMAL respect and consideration for the rest of society. In the abstract, I wish they wouldn't behave that way at all, but I would be opposed to hounding them to the point of raiding their private domiciles and upending their lives.

   I say just don't ram that sort of unfortunate proclivity into the faces of others, their children or their regressed children(13-21).

   So, obviously, I'M the evil monster.

    

    

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You ARE sick and repressed, if that's what you're trying to say. To call you bigoted would be an insult towards real bigots.

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thejediknighthusezni said:

TV's Frink said:

What stuff would it justify?  Treating homosexuals like equals? OH NO LIFE IS RUINED!!!

    I'll give the researcher the benefit of the doubt, but the characters who militantly push this kind of thing have much more on their agenda than "equality" for their private practices.

    There are dudes out there who are careful to conduct their cross-dressing in private with the drapes drawn. This shows the most MINIMAL respect and consideration for the rest of society. In the abstract, I wish they wouldn't behave that way at all, but I would be opposed to hounding them to the point of raiding their private domiciles and upending their lives.

   I say just don't ram that sort of unfortunate proclivity into the faces of others, their children or their regressed children(13-21).

   So, obviously, I'M the evil monster.

I find the use of the term "drapes" interesting. I never use that word and much prefer "curtains." It was a fussy sentence. And what are "regressed children"? There are many out there who would apply a similar rant against religion. In this forum we've seen some comments against religion in this vein - as in the way religion gets rammed into the faces of children (and seriously, terrible metaphorical language,  tjkh).

The blue elephant in the room.

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Why do phrases like "ramming it into our faces", "shoving it down our throats" and "rubbing our noses in it" always get used in this debate? The lady doth protest too much, methinks.

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Ryan McAvoy said:

Why do phrases like "ramming it into our faces", "shoving it down our throats" and "rubbing our noses in it" always get used in this debate?

Because they all sound like homosexual sex acts. ;-)

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Mrebo said:

thejediknighthusezni said:

TV's Frink said:

What stuff would it justify?  Treating homosexuals like equals? OH NO LIFE IS RUINED!!!

    I'll give the researcher the benefit of the doubt, but the characters who militantly push this kind of thing have much more on their agenda than "equality" for their private practices.

    There are dudes out there who are careful to conduct their cross-dressing in private with the drapes drawn. This shows the most MINIMAL respect and consideration for the rest of society. In the abstract, I wish they wouldn't behave that way at all, but I would be opposed to hounding them to the point of raiding their private domiciles and upending their lives.

   I say just don't ram that sort of unfortunate proclivity into the faces of others, their children or their regressed children(13-21).

   So, obviously, I'M the evil monster.

I find the use of the term "drapes" interesting. I never use that word and much prefer "curtains." It was a fussy sentence. And what are "regressed children"? There are many out there who would apply a similar rant against religion. In this forum we've seen some comments against religion in this vein - as in the way religion gets rammed into the faces of children (and seriously, terrible metaphorical language,  tjkh).

      Drapes? Dunno. Maybe it's a midwestern thing? I grew up around building design, so I might be more familiar with the term.

      People who aren't seeing the difference between moral precepts of a faith that are meant to protect the vulnerable, and the depraved objectives of a militant segment within a deviating fringe, will have difficulty seeing my point.

      Something is going to be taught to the kids. It is the responsibility of all adults in a society to make DAMN SURE that what they learn genuinely helps them to manage their sexuality and sense of self in an uplifting and humanly proper way.

      Before the inevitable "Who decides what is proper?", I will say that I am a great believer in the principle of "Underneath it all, people KNOW." That is, underneath all the BS, everyone who is capable of coherent thought is already equiped with essential understanding.

      Nobody disagrees with me in matters of essential principle. The only disagreement is about how resolutely and in what manner we should hold to principle, instead of pretending that the violation of what is right can somehow be a principled stand.

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"Drapes" is generally used to describe fancier curtains. I wouldn't use the word to describe cheap, everyday curtains, nor would I use the word "curtains" to describe most drapes.

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Just make sure the carpet matches the drapes.

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Curtains Vs Drapes... this sure is the Controversial Discussions Thread!

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LOL :)

The family business is a window coverings company, so I had to add my two bits while it was still part of the discussion...

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Goddam there's just too much evil in this world.

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Of all the stupid hypocritical evil acts!  It infuriates me.  If these people justify their actions based on the Bible, then they clearly don't understand the teachings of Christ.  I hope the victims recover as well as possible.

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I think it's more that the Bible passages on the subject reflect the sort of prejudices that these people have.

The Old Testament doesn't say "Thou shalt not lie with mankind as with womankind: it is not what God wants us to do and we will advise strongly against it for church members and hope one day non-church members will come around to stop doing it through the strength of our argument".

The men who wrote the Bible were as bigoted in their way as the bleach attackers, regardless of religion.

One sees people expressing their difference as a contamination to be bleached, the other sees it as a contamination to buried under stones (the funeral practise of the day and region).

There is a war between the forces of progress and the forces of bronze age tribalism and I'm not sure if I'm optimistic anymore.

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Adulterers were to be stoned in the Old Testament.  How many of these people would do that?  Clearly they fail to understand Christianity if they take it upon themselves to inflict punishments.

But bear in mind that not all homophobia is motivated by Judeo-Christian prejudice.  Muslims would be far harsher, for instance.  And bigotry even exists among non-believers.  Homophobia is prevalent across many societies, and is often not linked to religious beliefs at all.

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In the Old Testament both parties were to put to death and the method of choice was stoning. The act had declared those practising it as dead to the nation. So they were given a violent live burial. The same was true with adultery.

I mentioned this in defense of religion. From my perspective the bigotry is in the text because of the bigotry of it's human authors not because of the a divine bigotry or any institution of bigotry from the religions that maintain the text.

Though removing it from the text would be a step in the right direction if a religious organisation wants to distance itself from the acts violence in the text.

i think there is a mix of the standard disgust response when discovering a group of people indulging a form of sensual pleasure that seems alien, coupled with a scripture led tribalism spread by bigoted clerics (of many religions).

The germ of that clerical led bigotry is the oft misquoted Old Testament prohibitions most of the time. Even the Indian Right Wing take the principle from it's colonial history.

Secular bigots draw from a religious cultural history when they make their proclamations of 'tradition' and 'natural law'. Just as secular charities also pool from a long history of religious good works.

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I am agnostic so all this religious discussion is somewhat distant to me. 

Oddly, some people want to cleanse people with bleach while others want to cleanse the bible by tampering with it's text, a book written thousands of years ago by different people with no real-time existence with Jesus.

I'd say each side sounds more alike than they care to admit.  This is just an observation based on postings above, it is not a judgement of anyone or their beliefs.