Harmy's THE EMPIRE STRIKES BACK Despecialized Edition HD - V2.0 - MKV & AVCHD (Released) — Page 51

Great ! Looking forward 2.5 version too ! Thanks a lot.

It looks much better, I think screenshot #5 shows a huge improvement. I also liked the two photos at the end of where all the magic happens :)

Sorry for my ignorance (and this is not a criticism), but why are some of the cloud city shots colder looking in v2 than v1 - what was the reason for the change?

Harmy said:

These shots where the cloud city corridors were extended present quite a challenge - in part, because they look pretty bad in the GOUT (I had to use quite heavy denoising, but had to manually extract elements, where I couldn't afford to loose the already lacking detail) and also, because there's a lot of gate-weave in the GOUT and the camera keeps moving, so it has to be stabilized manually, frame by frame (this is why a functioning image registration software would be awesome) - this is also the reason why there is still some amount of shakiness to those backgrounds but it should be a huge improvement over v1.0 in that respect as well.

Looks great. In my opinion, picture 04 v1 had been the most obvious despecialization of all. Can't wait to see the new version in motion. Do you think some kind of manual stabilization could be used for Sebastian Shaws eyebrows too?

That's a nice setup you've got there Harmy, looks a lot more powerful than my rig! Two monitors as well! My setup is certainly a lot more amateur than that.

With all that processing power, are you planning to release this as an 1080p release? The reason I ask is because those screencaps you posted have a width of 1280 which is the width of 720p, suggesting that you only plan to create a 720p encode. If that's the case I think it would be a real shame because you now have the processing power to create a high quality 1080p encode of The Empire Strikes Back Despecialized Edition.

Star Wars Despecialized Edition could certainly use a boost to 1080p as well, now that you have the tools, why not?

kk650 said:

If that's the case I think it would be a real shame because you now have the processing power to create a high quality 1080p encode of The Empire Strikes Back Despecialized Edition.

It wouldn't be because in that case, the gap between GOUT and blu-ray material would be much more visible. This has been discussed more than a dozen times.

n00b said:

kk650 said:

If that's the case I think it would be a real shame because you now have the processing power to create a high quality 1080p encode of The Empire Strikes Back Despecialized Edition.

It wouldn't be because in that case, the gap between GOUT and blu-ray material would be much more visible. This has been discussed more than a dozen times.

I don't see why the image quality of the footage taken from the blu-ray should be reduced just so the difference in quality between the GOUT footage and the blu-ray footage is less. That doesn't make much sense to me, that the blu-ray footage image quality should suffer for the sake of the GOUT footage, so the overall image quality of the encode is less.

The GOUT uprezes fine to 1080p, I should know, I reinstated Lapti Nek and the original Jedi Ghosts scene with Sebastian Shaw from the GOUT to my Return of the Jedi Semi-Specialised Edition, they look fine in 1080p alongside the blu-ray footage, I've never received any complaints. Harmy should be able do the same with his Despecialised releases now that he has the processing power.

CatBus said:

I think the previously stated reason was that the Blu-ray doesn't really have more than 720p in detail (even though it's 1080p, the film transfer isn't so great), so there's not much point in 1080p until some source better than the Blu-ray becomes available.  Not that it couldn't be done--it's just a lot more time and a lot larger file sizes for something that, for the most part, won't be noticeably better even in the 100% BD-sourced scenes.  Cue shot of Tarkin at 720p and 1080p...

Hmm, while it is true that the Star Wars OT blu-ray transfers are not the most detailed transfers out there, they could definately use a 4k remastering, they still look noticably better in 1080p than they do in 720p IMHO, at least from my experience encoding to both 1080p and 720p.

I am certain that his Despecialised releases would look better in 1080p and now that he has the processing power to handle it, why not?

kk650 said:

I don't see why the image quality of the footage taken from the blu-ray should be reduced just so the difference in quality between the GOUT footage and the blu-ray footage is less. That doesn't make much sense to me, that the blu-ray footage image quality should suffer for the sake of the GOUT footage, so the overall image quality of the encode is less.

The GOUT uprezes fine to 1080p, I should know, I reinstated Lapti Nek and the original Jedi Ghosts scene with Sebastian Shaw from the GOUT to my Return of the Jedi Semi-Specialised Edition, they look fine in 1080p alongside the blu-ray footage, I've never received any complaints. Harmy should be able do the same with his Despecialised releases now that he has the processing power.

Those are really bad examples, you know? The ghost scene looks good because there's nothing wrong about blurry ghosts and the Lapti Nek pictures that had to be taken from the GOUT are 100 % GOUT, so there's basically no compositing of both sources within the same picture. Furthermore, there's a second argument that was already presented by CatBus. Are you going to start another never-ending discussion as you did in Adywan's thread?