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I've said it before and I'll say it again:

Katharine Hepburn + John Wayne = Kathryn Janeway

Yeah that is what killed Voyager for me. I could have put up with some of the stupid stuff but when a show seems to forget what it's own premise is from week to week,then it loses me.  They never ran out of shuttles,or people,and no matter what went wrong it was always fixed next week. For a show that was supposed to be about being out on the edge and not having any back up they sure did play it safe.  That is just sad. Voyager could have been the best Star Trek series and instead it is the only one I can not stand. Yes you read that right. There are parts of Enterprise that I like but Voyager's forgetfulness of it's own basic premise pushes it over the top for me.

If it were not for Holo Doc I don't think I could have stuck with it for seven years.

Well don't get me wrong they came up with a good episode once in a while but between Janeway and the fact that any danger never lasted more then two episodes and the terrorists acting like normal starfleet members of the crew this one just fails for me. I felt like Enterprise started to get it's act together in season three but I never got that same feeling with Voyager.  Plus I thought the idea of a Star Trek prequel was pretty dumb and didn't have a lot of places to go. Also it was clearly done just to cash in on the Star Wars prequels,so I wasn't expecting much from Enterprise. Voyager on the other hand had the best idea for any Star Trek spin off and if they had followed through it would have been great,but they didn't so Voyager has always felt kind of soul crushing to me. Like there was a show I would love somewhere in there but it fell apart somewhere along the way.

SilverWook said:

They were turned into newts! They got better...

Every incarnation of Trek has it's very own Spock's Brain. In Voyager's case, that was it's own The Great Vegetable Rebellion. ;)

 Looks like "Threshold" will be the basis for the plot for the next Star Trek movie! Imagine Chris Pine turning into the newt, while the Borg attack Earth. (The horror...)

Still couldn't hurt any more then Into Darkness.

LOL!

Well that is my laugh for the day.

doubleofive said:

I enjoy Voyager for the most part.

Have we shared the Voyager Torpedo Count video recently?

 They could have got around problems like that with a couple of plot points.

A) Replicating the Photon Torpedoes.

B) Replicating the Doctor's holo-emitter so the could send down legions of holographic red shirts all looking exactly the same as the Doctor.

When Voyager got home the Holo-Redshirts would lobby for a holographic homeworld or some such nonsense.

They sort of folded away Species 8472 rather quickly and they pulled the last episode out of their arse but on the whole I rather liked Voyager after Kes left.

I think I just found my favorite Janeway plan of all time:)

http://blip.tv/sf-debris-opinionated-reviews/voy-real-life-review-6141673

If Janeway had originally been the First Officer and chief Science Officer (and had thus worn Science Blue for the entire series), and the original captain had been killed in the series premier and then she had to be acting captain, I don't think I would mind Janeway's horrible command style as much.

If 'Janeway is a Science Officer who had the command of an imperiled vessel thrust upon her; now she must learn the ropes of being a captain while trying to get her vessel and crew home safely' had been the basis of her character arc, then her lack of tact and horrible screw-ups would be expected--she's learning. As a Science Officer, she wouldn't be expected to be a tactful diplomat with advanced training in first contact scenarios or negotiating with a hostile party.

Sadako said:

If Janeway had originally been the First Officer and chief Science Officer (and had thus worn Science Blue for the entire series), and the original captain had been killed in the series premier and then she had to be acting captain, I don't think I would mind Janeway's horrible command style as much.

If 'Janeway is a Science Officer who had the command of an imperiled vessel thrust upon her; now she must learn the ropes of being a captain while trying to get her vessel and crew home safely' had been the basis of her character arc, then her lack of tact and horrible screw-ups would be expected--she's learning. As a Science Officer, she wouldn't be expected to be a tactful diplomat with advanced training in first contact scenarios or negotiating with a hostile party.

 Yes and what is more it would set up a basis for conflict between her and Chakota(Did I spell that right?  I don't care the last two weeks have been the hardest of my life and I am running on fumes.)He would be a better tactical commander but because Janeway had more people and the working ship he would have to defer to her but he would not like it and what is more she would be wrong sometimes. Over the course of the show they could learn that while neither one of them had the all the skills needed to get their crews home they each hand some of them and they both cared deeply about their crews so that would bring them together and it would make them a team that could get almost anything done. We would get to see the distrust tern to friendship over the run of the show and Chakota would get something to do other then talk endlessly about his people.

I don't know about you but that is a plot and character arc that I would watch over and over again.  I mean think about it season one Janeway and Chakota would be completely different people from their season seven selves and the friendship would feel earned and then when something threatened it the viewers would care because we had seen it grew from nothing and thus we wouldn't want to see it undone.

I would love to see that show,it's a shame we didn't get it:(

Mike O said:

DrCrowTStarwars said:

Yeah that is what killed Voyager for me. I could have put up with some of the stupid stuff but when a show seems to forget what it's own premise is from week to week,then it loses me.  They never ran out of shuttles,or people,and no matter what went wrong it was always fixed next week. For a show that was supposed to be about being out on the edge and not having any back up they sure did play it safe.  That is just sad. Voyager could have been the best Star Trek series and instead it is the only one I can not stand. Yes you read that right. There are parts of Enterprise that I like but Voyager's forgetfulness of it's own basic premise pushes it over the top for me.

If it were not for Holo Doc I don't think I could have stuck with it for seven years.

 A friend of mine pointed out that the premise Voyager initially promised is actually more like what BSG eventually became: dark, ragtag ship on the run, etc. Is the new BSG series any good, by the way? It's up on Netflix, I'm curious. 

 Yes it is.  I don't think it is the best sci-fi series of all time(I think they some times fell into the trap of making things dark for no other reason then making them dark and there were some soap opera elements in the latter seasons I didn't care for)but it is still a very good show and right off the bat I said to myself "This is the show Voyager should have been." There is a ton of good in the show(Even if some of the plot elements don't make sense) and I would say that everyone who is a sci-fi fan should give it a shot. Be warned it is a little like Lost in that nothing was planed from the start(You know I am starting to think B5 was the only sci-fi show that's plot arc was planed in any detail)so there are a few things that are never completely explained or when they are explained seem a little silly.  Still if you can over look that I would say watch it.  It is a very well done show and is very close to how Voyager should have been done. Check it out.

One technical question for you guys.

Why does season 4 of Enterprise looks so HORRIBLY WRONG? What happened? I know they changed from 35mm film to 1080p digital Sony cameras, but that doesn't explain why everything looks and moves so weird...

For 3 years of TOS, 7 years of TNG, 7 years of DS9, 7 years of VOY and 3 years on ENT we were used to the typical 35mm film @ 24fps -> video @ 30fps (or in my European case 25fps) look. Everything looked a certain way, everybody moved in a certain speed... Now suddenly everything looks like the Hobbit movies! The movement looks "faster", more "smoother" etc. I don't know if you guys know what I'm talking about but I hope at least somebody does.

I noticed the "effect" for the first time in 2006/7 when they broadcast Enterprise season 4 on TV here. I read online that they changed from film to digital, so I thought something went horribly wrong when they converted the footage from NTSC to PAL, that they've done something bad to the framerate and that's the reason why everything looks "faster". But now after I watched the whole season 4 on bluray I'm even more confused, the bluray videos run at 24fps, and the effect seems even more noticable and even more disturbing! It goes so far that I can't watch a whole damned episode without having breaks every couple of minutes. Or does it have to do something with the fact that the episodes suck? I don't know, but the overall effect is REALLY annoying and distracting.

Does anybody know what they did? I always thought that they filmed season 4 at 1080p/24fps. Now I actually start to think they filmed it in 1080i/60fps or something similar.

I noticed that on some early HD shows at the time.  I am not sure what is going on but I think it is something that happened when people who were use to shooting on film made the switch to digital HD without much training. You are right everything including effects shots looks a little off.  Sorry I have no idea what is going on but I think I know why it happened.  You had a bunch of people who were used to working one way being forced to learn how to work another way on the fly and that can lead to a few hick ups along the way.

It's not really a "framerate issue" in the sense that it's an error. It just - I really can't describe it better - looks like The Hobbit @48fps.

Yeah it's hard to describe it in tech it just feels a little off while you are watching it. Not sure how else to put it.  It's more of a feeling then something you can put your finger on and say "ah that's what they did wrong."