Info Wanted: 'LOTR - FELLOWSHIP OF THE RING': Green tint removed? — Page 5

I really like the classic settings, but I was wondering why the whites are slightly pink/purple and if there could be a way to make these more white?

Thanks rockin! That's now 5 votes for what i've decided to call the 'standard edition' and 0 votes for the 'more colourful' edition.

As for the whites being pink/purple tinted, they're not on my professionally colour calibrated monitor. I just checked. Are you using a laptop perhaps or a monitor that hasn't been colour calibrated to look at those comparisons? Things meant to be completely white always have a slight pinkish/purple tint on my laptop, so the whites on those comparisons do look pinkish/purple when I checked them on it.

DoomBot, the standard edition is now up as well. :)

Thanks kk650!

DoomBot said:

Thanks kk650!

My pleasure. :)

25gb regraded releases of The Two Towers and Return of the King are also going to be coming out soon in case you're interested. Now that i've done Fellowship of the Ring, might as well finish off the Lord of the Rings trilogy while i'm at it.

Beautiful job on this release kk650, you really made a huge improvement on a well deserved movie.

I muxed the DTS-HD Master audio  with your video.   :)

Thanks DoomBot! :)

I'm also very happy with how the two latest Fellowship of the Ring releases turned out, especially the less saturated standard release.

If you're also interested in the second and third Lord of the Rings films, the regraded The Two Towers release should be up by tomorrow afternoon.

I like the classic look as well.

Lacerated said:

I like the classic look as well.

Yeah, it looks like pretty much everybody that's voted has prefered that version, myself included. It also matches the saturation levels of the second and third films, which was very much deliberate on my part. I'm just wondering whether I should remove the more colourful version to avoid confusion. Does anybody prefer the more colourful version and want it to stay?

I'm really surprised by how little feedback i'm getting here for this regraded Fellowship of the Ring release, the official blu-ray is so clearly messed up that I expected there to be a lot more demand in this forum for a release that fixes the many problems the blu-ray has. As DoomBot said, the improvement that this regraded Fellowship of the Ring Extended Edition release makes to the official blu-ray is pretty huge yet there seems to be little interest based on the amount of feedback.

As for The Two Towers, i've run into problems with artifacts during the credits which i've now fixed but it has delayed me a bit but it should be up by the end of today.

What kind of changes were needed or made for the other two movies?

DoomBot said:

What kind of changes were needed or made for the other two movies?

In terms of colour, The Two Towers and Return of the King official blu-rays have blanket green tints over them as well, though they're a lot more subtle than with Fellowship of the Ring, so the regraded releases correct that.

In terms of image dynamics, there are no changes whatsoever, I think the official blu-rays of TTT and ROTK are perfectly fine as they are in that regard.

In terms of editing, there will be no changes to TTT and ROTK in these two 25gb releases. I have in the past created an edited version of ROTJ though that cuts out the whole scene with the corsairs with PJ being shot by Legolas, I felt it took away from Aragorn's appearing with the army of the dead later on during the battle. I also cut the bit with Aragorn beheading the Mouth of Sauron, it didn't happen in the book, the Mouth of Sauron was allowed to leave unharmed. Aragorn would never do anything so dishonourable as kill an emissary under Parlay, I do not know what PJ was thinking there. I could release this edited version as a 25gb release as well but i'll have to see whether there is any interest.

I never liked PJ's cinema coloring for TTT and ROTK.  I think they were too dull and wished he would've kept the FOTR coloring.

Lacerated said:

I never liked PJ's cinema coloring for TTT and ROTK.  I think they were too dull and wished he would've kept the FOTR coloring.

 A lot of that dullness actually comes from the blanket green tints over TTT and ROTK, remove them and the films become a lot more appealing.

For all those interested, the regraded The Two Towers Extended Edition 25gb release is now also up on tehparadox.

Okay, i've just put the latest regraded Fellowship of the Ring: Extended Edition V2 (Standard Edition) up on myspleen for those that are interested in checking it out.

Memorex said:

I will definitely check out your work when I get the chance! I really liked your Terminator re-grade with the mono-track!

You should definately check it out. This Fellowship of the Ring Extended Edition regrade is without a doubt the release that I feel I have improved the most out of all my releases, the difference is pretty huge. The official blu-ray is an unwatchable dark green mess IMHO.

It can be found on myspleen listed as 'kk650's Regraded Fellowship of the Ring Extended Edition Version 2 (Standard Edition)' and also on tehparadox.

I hate to revive a long dead thread, but after a quick readthrough, it doesn't appear that anybody considered overlaying the EE DVD on top of the EE BD and setting the blending mode to "color" in a program like After Effects, thus applying the DVD's color to the luminance of the BD. 

The technique is used here at around 1:20 : https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=agMUHc2ODqI

Did anybody attempt this?  Did I miss something re-reading this thread?

Then I suppose you could do a color correction on the bd to more closely resemble the dvd so that the edges aren't as noticeable. I just feel that if the EE DVD color is what we're shooting for, this would probably be the best and most accurate way to accomplish this.  Even slightly cropping the BD, while not ideal, would still be better than crappy colors. 

What if I told you I saw all 3 movies in 35 mm last april and that the color of the extended Fellowship Blu-ray is a lot more accurate than the DVD, and that all 3 movies use the same palette? I took 2 pictures of Fellowship with my iPhone:

http://www.heberger-image.fr/data/images/32877_image1.jpg

http://www.heberger-image.fr/data/images/25439_image2.jpg

Yeah, I remember my reactions to the Fathom DCP of the Fellowship EE being along the lines of "This is different from the DVD, but feels strangely familiar...like I saw this color timing in theaters in 2001." I don't even remember noticing a green tint (either my eyes got used to it, or maybe the DCP master doesn't have as strong a tint?)

This could be another case of "we get used to the home video grading and forget how it looked in theaters, then complain that the BD grading is revisionist, when it's actually closer to the theatrical than we give it credit" (see: every James Cameron remaster)

And 35mm prints (especially LPP) can have a slight yellow-green tint in general, too. I've seem film cells, they have that yellow green look. White is almost never pure white in 35mm, there is always some slight color to it (usually yellow or yellow-green). Is it due to the film base not being 100% clear, or is it due to the chemistry of the developing process?

If only we could have gotten our hands on the 35mm prints that were for sale a while back. I'd love a regrade based on the actual print color schemes. (Though obviously we'd have to wing it for the extended stuff - and now I wonder how the heck the limited 35mm print runs of FOTR EE and TTT EE looked...)

The prints have a yellow-green tint, while the bd has a blue-green tint. It's obvious by looking at the "fellowship of the ring" title that's fades in at the beginning, which is supposed to be nearly white, but instead appears teal.  The DVD is not entirely accurate to a print, but it is easier to watch and feels more natural than the blu Ray. To me, it's never been quite so much about whether it is perfectly accurate, rather that it just looks and feels right. 

Hi, I read the iTunes version of the EE had no green-tint, but haven't been able to confirm. Anyone know? Thanks.

Darth Lucas said:

Then I suppose you could do a color correction on the bd to more closely resemble the dvd so that the edges aren't as noticeable. I just feel that if the EE DVD color is what we're shooting for, this would probably be the best and most accurate way to accomplish this.  Even slightly cropping the BD, while not ideal, would still be better than crappy colors. 

I agree. Far better to have a slight crop of the blu-ray and 100% accurate EE DVD colours than no cropping and 90% accurate colours IMHO.