What do you HATE about the EU? — Page 16

So having them originally be a race of creatures who are enslaved by exiled Jedi is in depth? That kind of contrived nonsense is actually of interest to you?

If that kind of shallow attempt at writing is what you consider interesting then fine. Personally I like to explore peoples motivations for their lust for power and control, rather than just throwing contrived set piece after set piece in a desperate bid to write terrible writing out of a corner.

You fail to realise that not everyone wants power for the same reason, and they don't come to these conclusions from the same place either. The reason they do in the EU is because Lucas allowed third rate writers endless freedom to write boring, two dimensional characters that are nothing more than uber-hardcore-evil-wizard-nerd-bait.

Your idea of depth and substance is thousands of years of contrived, rehashed history. Mine is character development. To each their own though, at least I actually got a ******* discussion out of you.

Vozlov said:

So having them originally be a race of creatures who are enslaved by exiled Jedi is in depth? That kind of contrived nonsense is actually of interest to you?

Personally, I'd prefer it if the original Sith culture/religion had come into existence independant of any Jedi influence, with there being no contact between the two until the Great Hyperspace War.

Vozlov said:

If that kind of shallow attempt at writing is what you consider interesting then fine. Personally I like to explore peoples motivations for their lust for power and control, rather than just throwing contrived set piece after set piece in a desperate bid to write terrible writing out of a corner.

Well, this is a different kettle of fish altogether, isn't it? I have absolutely no problem with exploring the motivations of villains who lust for control; my problem is with mustache-twisting supervillains who are merely evil for the sake of being evil.

imperialscum said:

Well DuracellEnergizer is in love with TOTJ. He would go as far as to piss on, deny and distort OT-inspired Sith concepts to protect his dear love. He "won't let" anything to use, evolve or tamper with his beloved TOTJ Sith... but he seems to be completely okay with the fact that it was TOTJ which took and deformed the original Sith concept.

:)

God, you have issues, don't you? For someone who pisses and moans about me being a broken record, you sure are one yourself, and a bigger one at that.  

and thus the dismissive butt hurt Jesus pictures make sense.

Are those the same stories that have an entire Sith empire ( hidden somehow ) invasion of the Republic based around two lost hyperspace travellers? Written by the same guy who brought Palpatine back to life?

Great stuff.

Well, this is a different kettle of fish altogether, isn't it? I have absolutely no problem with exploring the motivations of villains who lust for control; my problem is with mustache-twisting supervillains who are merely evil for the sake of being evil.

Just because you're too narrow minded to look past your own misconceptions of other peoples ideas doesn't mean you should get so butt hurt. I find it amusing you dislike supervillains that are evil for the sake of being evil, when in fact the vast majority of the villains of TOTJ are exactly that.

The Sith should be a culture like the Jedi, however they should be completely opposite in ideals. They should believe that only the strongest should rule as a natural form of evolution, the strong controlling the weak. Anyone who can wield the force for this purpose would simply become the strongest by default.

That's just basics. It's the history of these people and their motivations for this that should be the real story, and how they confront the Jedi over it. If we had Sith that are tormented over their decisions, who are then juxtaposed with others that embrace it fully, we'd actually see a dynamic to Star Wars that is just not seen enough besides the KoToR and JK games, and that was incidentally completely missed in the prequel trilogy.

Adding in all the BS about enslaved races and biologically created armies, walls of force light crap and ****ing thought bombs is just **** writing, and nothing more.

Vozlov said:

Are those the same stories that have an entire Sith empire ( hidden somehow ) invasion of the Republic based around two lost hyperspace travellers? Written by the same guy who brought Palpatine back to life?

That's one storyline, yes, but not by the guy who brought Palpatine back to life.

Anyway, I don't find the writing of that storyline all that great, but I do like the general plot and some of the characters; for me, that's enough to save it.

Vozlov said:

Just because you're narrow minded to look past your own misconceptions of other peoples ideas doesn't mean you should get so butt hurt then.

Then perhaps you should make youself more clear that just simply saying "the Sith should have been anti-Jedi".

Vozlov said:

I find it amusing you dislike supervillains that are evil for the sake of being evil, when in fact the vast majority of the villains of TOTJ are exactly that.

They aren't perfect, but their culture and their lore compensates for their lack of characterization. That's more than can be said for the TPM+ Sith.

I guess we can at least agree on that.

I disregard the prequel trilogies the same as I disregard the majority of EU though. I'm currently working on a complete rewrite of the prequels that I was going to post here that actually gives Palpatine depth and Vaders turn to the dark side meaning.

Empire's End. Palpatine deserves a far better ending.

How the Empire's past as the Republic is ignored. For over a thousand generations it was a peaceful democracy with Jedi as its guardians yet now it's doomed to be a Sith-aligned fascist dictatorship for all time?

I hate how the fans are convinced that the Thrawn trilogy's take on what became of the Empire after ROTJ is the only logical one and the double standards that these fans will use to support their position. There's so many other possibilities as to what a Palpatine-free Empire would be like. 

Hate is probably a strong word for this, but I dislike that the planet Endor exists as of ROTJ in the EU. The novelization's statement that the planet Endor had been destroyed at some point long before ROTJ is far cooler in my opinion.

SilverWook said:

Endor can be seen in the sky in both Ewok movies, which were originally intended to be set after ROTJ though.

I was counting the Ewok movies as EU.

imperialscum said: Destroying planets like it was something casual is not cool... it is lame.

I meant destroyed naturally, not by a superweapon.

For some reason or other, I got the impression from the ROTJ novelization that the Endor planet disappeared under mysterious circumstances, like it was eaten by some Lovecraftianesque entity or something when no one was looking.

It annoys me that the EU decided to give these alien species

the ability to speak English Basic. I prefer them to be like Wookiees -- able to comprehend the language, but physically unable to speak it.

I hate that the Jedi in a lot of the EU are just like the prequel Jedi. There's a reason that the prequel Jedi failed.

lovelikewinter said:

1.  The books eventually going up their own ass.  Legacy of the Force and Fate of the Jedi were the worst offenders.

2.  Super-weapons of the week. Kevin J Anderson used this trope way too much.  The Sun Crusher?  Darksaber?  

3. Every book having "the biggest threat since Palpatine."  It got old after the second time they used it. Not every adventure had to be a galaxy-changing deal.  

4.  Killing off Chewbacca for shock value.  Thats like getting the kids a puppy for X-mas and then shooting it.

5.  No gay people at all.  

I agree with this entire post.