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Post #701668

Author
jerryshadoe
Parent topic
New Adventures of Winnie the Pooh - Preservation Project (* unfinished - lots of info *)
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Date created
23-Apr-2014, 9:39 PM

So, before I posted any reply, I did numerous tests and tried to figure out how to proceed.

@ Andrea - the "patch" method seems like a viable option, thanx4suggestion

@ Moth3r - for the most part it is a static logo, except for 8-10 seconds at about half-way through episode where it turns into an animated sequence that takes up bottom 1/4 of screen (where it says is Russian: "you are now watching 'the new adventures of winnie the pooh'"). most of the logo is alpha-blended, but parts (including the letters "Disney") is opaque

@hofverberg - you are right that the Disney logo is a "pest" to get rid of and any script that I used ( trying: DeLogo, DeKafka, InpaintFunc, rm_logo) ALL leave very nasty artifacts for the parts that are opaque and definitely during the animated sequence. As far as using the blended/no-logo source, it's not a matter of time/patience on my part, but I have noticed that in scenes where the frame changes (due to rapid movement/zooming) from frame-to-frame there is a lack of smoothness (the scenes become jagged) and the result, IMHO, looks like sh*t.

So, for now, I am going to process all the episodes: de-interlace, slow back down to NTSC, insert English title cards/end credits, sync ALL language tracks (except for Swedish dub, as I don't have the source audio yet, but this will be easy and fast once the rest is done) AND then, after all of that is finished, I will attempt to "patch" all of the episodes that have the logo with the blended sources. When I first started this project, as the first episode has a logo, I tried to do the "patch" method with mixed results. First of all, the video sources are different in the fact that the logo version contains what appears to be 100% of original frame, where as the episodes without logo are zoomed a little bit (only 97.5% of original frame is there) AND it seems like the no-logo version is slightly warped because no matter how hard I tried to match the frames, there would be one part that would match perfect (i.e. top left part of where i'm covering logo), where as other part (i.e. right part of where i'm covering logo) would look like it's a degree or two off. Also, the level of zoom/warping is different from scene to scene. I sat there and tested different settings for three (yes, THREE) days and no matter how close I got, a little bit was ALWAYS off. Granted, to most people this would NOT be noticeable (as some of my last results where VERY close) but, either way, it bothered me. Unfortunately, during certain scenes it became obvious that there was a "patch" there due to the frame blending present in the no-logo version. And then I got half-way through the first episode, with what was 95% decently reconstructed video, and I hit a brick wall when the logo changed to the animated sequence and took up ~25% of ENTIRE bottom of screen. The frame blending in that sequence is very nasty on the no-logo version and that was when I gave up on trying the "patch" method. This was before I learned about certain avisynth scripts, where I am able to get a lot "cleaner" result and now, after all episodes are processed, I will go back and try to pick up where I left off with that.

If removing the logo (especially the animated sequence) by "patching" gives me nice results I will go that route, but if it ends up looking worse than just leaving the logo in tact, then I will leave it as-is. I also have the problem of the fact that some of the episodes with the logo do NOT have a high bitrate blended counter-part source, where in those cases the ONLY source that there is to do the "patch" with are one of the xvid releases (which I have in four versions as well, but none are better than 640x480 @~800-1200kbps (depending on episode) and most of those are actually sourced from VHS tapes, so there is that issue as well. In those cases, the "patch" is extremely obvious as the "patched" part looks really blurry ("smear-o-vision") compared to rest of frame.

On side note, (I know, I'm hijacking my own thread, LOL) working on just this project, mentally, burns me out, so I'm simultaneously working on a couple more things now too. I have, finally after searching forever, located a very high bitrate 1080i HDTV copy of "Innocent Blood", also known as "Bloody Marie" from 1992 and am looking at doing a BD25 release of this and have located two different sourced 720p copies of "Desperate Measures" from 1998, as well as numerous extras for that movie (including a featurette and numerous interviews) that deserves a proper BD25 release as well. the first one will be easy as it's just a matter of de-interlacing, the source is nearly flawless in terms of transfer, and the second one I will try to do the method that Andrea used on Supernova, as the two different sources have similar issue as what Andrea delt with there (if you could PM me with what script you used there, that would save me some time and would be greatly appreciated) This keeps things interesting and my mind fresh, because looking at just the frames of winnie the pooh for too long makes me feel like a zombie, LOL. Anyway, I was able to find all these lovely things on usenet and would like to let everyone here know, that there is a great 3 day trial (with 30 connections, unlimited bandwidth [my average download speed was 25-30mbps] and unlimited transfer [I downloaded 475GB within those three days]) if you sign up with hitnews. (.com) I am NOT SPAMMING here, there is NO referral service, just sharing with those who would like to try usenet but don't wanna pay for it. the coolest thing about this free trial is that it requires NO credit card info in order to get it. ALL you need to do is enter your name, e-mail address (where they send you confirmation e-mail to activate the account) and select a password. that's it !!!

Anyway, back on topic, I am going back to the editing on this project ;)

Peace