generalfrevious said:
Warbler said:
generalfrevious said:
The whole franchise is dead, and has been for 20 years (15 if you like DS9). No power on earth can make ST good ever again. JJ blew it up permanently. Does anyone honestly think Chris Pine will be as iconic as Willaim Shatner? STID was so horrendous it nullified any goodwill the previous film may have had. These new films represent everything wrong with our corporation-centric, one percenter, money is speech culture. Like I said, they should wipe these films out of existence; they deserve to be forgotten. Star Trek used to mean something to us. Now it's just some soulless product to make some rich Viacom CEO even richer.
while I didn't think Star Trek Into Darkness was all that great, I think you exaggerate just a bit.
We live in one of the most cynical periods in modern history. Art is being destroyed by hacks like Abrams, and they get praised for ruining franchises. He makes Rick Berman innocent by comparison. Star Trek used to be just more than some silly low budget tv show; it was an optimistic look on humanity exploring the unknown world with others, and finding solutions to problems that did not boil down to punching the bad a hundred times, like in some dumb action movie. I don't think I can exaggerate too much in the death of science fiction as we know it.
Yeah that was my huge problem. That Kirk being completely unlikable,the plot making no sense,and Khan having a cure for death in his blood. How are we supposed to be worried about any of the characters making it when we know that there are almost a hundred people frozen who have a death cure in their blood? They have just destroyed all drama and sense of tension in any future movies.
The big thing for me is that Star Trek is no longer about ideas. When I was a kid I watched the show for it's ideas and culture clashes,now those are all gone and replaced by catchphrases and callbacks. i was able to handle the movies being dumb action movies when the shows were still on the air because you would still get ideas in the shows but now that Star Trek is movies only made by the people who made Transformers Star Trek is dead to me.
As far as I am concerned Star Trek died with DS9. RIP Star Trek:(