Warbler said:

From our conversation in the "If you need to B*tch about something... this is the place" Thread

DuracellEnergizer said:

Let's see ... how did TNG fuck things up ...

In no particular order:

All the pseudoscientific technobabble. I don't remember TOS ever resorting to this crap to any significant degree.

I think they was some techobabble in TOS

The stupid "The Federation is a 110% perfect, atheist utopia that never does anything wrong and never uses money" crap.

It was kind of a utopia in TOS and in TNG, they Admirals and other Captians making mistakes.

Making it so that there is never any major conflict between the main characters of the show. Everyone just always gets along like one big, boring family from some '50s-'80s sitcom.

They got along mostly in TOS. Well ok, Spoke and Mccoy fought alot.

The overuse of human and rubber forehead aliens.

I thought the make jobs were pretty good, especially compared to TOS

Turning the Klingons into stupid, dirty, one-note brutes.

?

You must have been watching a different set of Klingons than I was watching. The Klingons I was watching were turned from the dirth one-note brutes they had been in TOS to honor bound warriors in TNG.

Never allowing the interesting characters like Data to ever significantly grow and develop.

name me one character that developed in TOS?

Oh, and IMO, DS9 didn't fuck up Star Trek.

what about the war?

Yeah very well said. TNG was at least as good a show as TOS,it built on the foundation and then grew in ways TOs didn't. Both shows were very good.

Also as much as I love DS9 I do get the feeling that the only reason the war happened was because B5 was having a big war on their show and the producers of Star Trek wanted to cash in on that. That is not to say there were not a ton of good episodes in the war arc but i don't think Star Trek would have gone there if B5 had not given them the push.