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Bingowings said:

And why in the name of Charles Berlitz would they want to make a prison invisible anyway?

 Because convicts are ugly?

doubleofive said:

Do we really need to have a Start menu, or even a file system, when you can search for whatever you want? I don't even use the Start Menu on Win7 or OSX, I search for everything. It's about making your workflow more smooth.

But, alas, every time MS tries to push something forward, they have to drag it back. 8.1 is getting a traditional Start Menu. I expect they'll start shipping Xbox One's without Kinects before too long.

 Let me get this straight,   in windows 8 there is no start menu or file system and you have to search for everything?   Sorry that is bs and doubleofive, I completely disagree with you.

DrCrowTStarwars said:

Possessed said:

Microsoft is planning on killing Windows XP next week, and governments around the world are giving them gobs of money to keep supporting it for them.  Seriously, why kill it.  MANY important programs are still ran on windows xp.  (Security programs at government facilities, hospitals, schools, and many more are still using xp for a variety of reasons)

 

Yeah i don't understand how this is good business. They are keeping Windows 8 a program no one wants and killing one people are begging them to keep. My guess is they could make a ton of money selling updates for XP.

Oh well. No one ever accused Microsoft of caring about their costumers or being good at what they do.

 hmmm . . . getting rid of the version that everyone is begging them to keep and keeping the version everyone hates . . . this reminds me of something . . .

Warbler said:

DrCrowTStarwars said:

Possessed said:

Microsoft is planning on killing Windows XP next week, and governments around the world are giving them gobs of money to keep supporting it for them.  Seriously, why kill it.  MANY important programs are still ran on windows xp.  (Security programs at government facilities, hospitals, schools, and many more are still using xp for a variety of reasons)

 

Yeah i don't understand how this is good business. They are keeping Windows 8 a program no one wants and killing one people are begging them to keep. My guess is they could make a ton of money selling updates for XP.

Oh well. No one ever accused Microsoft of caring about their costumers or being good at what they do.

 hmmm . . . getting rid of the version that everyone is begging them to keep and keeping the version everyone hates . . . this reminds me of something . . .

 *Gasp* George Lucas and Bill Gates are the same person,it all makes sense now!

Think about it,have you ever seen them together?

Warbler said:

doubleofive said:

Do we really need to have a Start menu, or even a file system, when you can search for whatever you want? I don't even use the Start Menu on Win7 or OSX, I search for everything. It's about making your workflow more smooth.

But, alas, every time MS tries to push something forward, they have to drag it back. 8.1 is getting a traditional Start Menu. I expect they'll start shipping Xbox One's without Kinects before too long.

 Let me get this straight,   in windows 8 there is no start menu or file system and you have to search for everything?   Sorry that is bs and doubleofive, I completely disagree with you.

  yeah having to remember the exact name of the program you want to run and enter it spelled correctly into a command bar in order to find and run the program. Isn't that just DOS,the program Windows replaced because it was too hard and clumsy for the average user to use?

It didn't strike me until just now but it is,Windows 8 is just Dos with some pretty pictures. it's thirty years behind the times.

Should we get off your lawn now?  I agree with 005.

So we should all spend years learning how to use DOS because getting work done isn't the purpose of a computer?

Why change a system that no one had any problems with?  Why should it become super hard to find icons and why get rid of the start menu?

Do you think that it some how makes you a better person if you use a smartphone interface on your desktop? Why not leave the smartphone stuff on the smartphone?

Hey if Microsoft wants to lose money that is fine with me. They can do what they want I just will not pay for it.  I guess I and a lot of other people will be moving to Apple or Linex once Windows 7 support stops and Microsoft will just cater to the "elites" who became better people by learning to use Windows 8 and the Kinect.

DrCrowTStarwars said:

So we should all spend years learning how to use DOS because getting work done isn't the purpose of a computer?

Why change a system that no one had any problems with?  Why should it become super hard to find icons and why get rid of the start menu?

Do you think that it some how makes you a better person if you use a smartphone interface on your desktop? Why not leave the smartphone stuff on the smartphone?

Hey if Microsoft wants to lose money that is fine with me. They can do what they want I just will not pay for it.  I guess I and a lot of other people will be moving to Apple or Linex once Windows 7 support stops and Microsoft will just cater to the "elites" who became better people by learning to use Windows 8 and the Kinect.

 Listen to what I'm actually saying.  In Win 8.1, you can use desktop mode.  And if you right click on the win button in the place where the start button used to be, you can get most if not all of the functions you are looking for.

ok.  good to know. 

TV's Frink said:

Should we get off your lawn now?  I agree with 005.

 Do you?

doubleofive said:

Do we really need to have a Start menu, or even a file system, when you can search for whatever you want? I don't even use the Start Menu on Win7 or OSX, I search for everything.

 He seems to question the logic of having a desktop mode.   You agree with that?

Warbler said:

TV's Frink said:

Should we get off your lawn now?  I agree with 005.

 Do you?

doubleofive said:

Do we really need to have a Start menu, or even a file system, when you can search for whatever you want? I don't even use the Start Menu on Win7 or OSX, I search for everything.

 He seems to question the logic of having a desktop mode.   You agree with that?

 Yeah that is what I am arguing against. You can have all the smartphone stuff you want as long as desktop mode is there and I don't have to download it every single time.

Also I think using search is a lot harder,you get dozens of results that you have to scroll through and if you mistype something you don't get any results. At least on old windows I can have all the icons on one neat screen and remember where the programs are in the start menu. I don't know about anyone else but I find that a lot easier then the dos style interface of windows 8 and if windows ever drops desktop mode as an option I am done with windows.  that is all i am saying.

Warbler said:

DrCrowTStarwars said:

Possessed said:

Microsoft is planning on killing Windows XP next week, and governments around the world are giving them gobs of money to keep supporting it for them.  Seriously, why kill it.  MANY important programs are still ran on windows xp.  (Security programs at government facilities, hospitals, schools, and many more are still using xp for a variety of reasons)

 

Yeah i don't understand how this is good business. They are keeping Windows 8 a program no one wants and killing one people are begging them to keep. My guess is they could make a ton of money selling updates for XP.

Oh well. No one ever accused Microsoft of caring about their costumers or being good at what they do.

 hmmm . . . getting rid of the version that everyone is begging them to keep and keeping the version everyone hates . . . this reminds me of something . . .

 (sees what you did there)

I have something unrelated to whine about: stupid rules and regulations. Warning labels are a legal requirement on anything that is potentially dangerous. Really? They're there for the benefit of stupid people and people who sue with little provocation, but they are generally entirely unnecessary. Of course a little kid could choke on all kinds of toys. Why must the company that makes the toys be legally required to put warning labels on them? It's incredibly stupid.

My dad's family owns a blind company (blind meaning in window coverings, the company can see just fine) and they had to discontinue some lines of blinds due to strangulation hazards. Because it's a fairly small company, switching over to a new system can have a big effect on the business. If you have thousands of blinds in stock that can no longer be legally sold, what are you supposed to do with them all? If people just used their brains, a lot of money, time, and effort would have been saved. The irony is that one type of pull-cord that had to be abandoned was far safer and less likely to strangle a child than the one that had to be used instead.

This stupid safety thing is also a problem in schools as well. When I was in elementary school (the same rules usually apply for junior high/middle school students as well though), some of the rules (my wording of course) included:

-Do not pick up snow off the ground or throw it, regardless of whether or not it is going to end up flying towards someone, because you might accidentally hit someone and there might be a piece of ice in the snowball which might hurt someone. If you don't plan on throwing it at all, that doesn't matter, because you could still cause bodily harm to another student and we don't trust you.

-Do not pick up sand--the wind could blow it away and take someone's eye out.

-Do NOT EVER climb on hills of snow. You could fall through them and get buried in the snow, or slip off of them and break your neck.

-Do not climb trees. What kind of idiot are you? You could fall off and hurt yourself. If someone is underneath the tree you could hurt them too, so it's a terrible idea overall.

-Do not play tackle football as it is far too dangerous. Do you know how many people sustain serious injuries from football? Not many, but it doesn't matter.

-No play fighting, wrestling, tackling, or doing anything else violent like that. Someone might get hurt and it will probably escalate into a real fight.

Wooden playgrounds are also considered very unsafe, due to the risk of splinters and rotten wood. Never mind that more injuries are sustained on metal playgrounds because they put silly metal bars over every slide and almost everywhere you turn, resulting in many sore heads, bruises, and in some cases, concussions.

Schools shouldn't have to be so afraid of getting sued that kids go to the principal's office for picking snow off the ground--literally. Kids learn how to be safe from experience. Don't throw snow with ice in it because you'll get hurt. Throw snow without ice in it and try not to hit people directly in the face if they don't want you to. Letting sand sift through your fingers shouldn't be against the rules, but after getting sand in one's eyes, a kid will probably learn that they shouldn't throw sand (after throwing it back at the kid who did it first, of course).

Recesses were often very boring as a result of all those silly rules. Being a boy, I had lots of energy and a tendency to be rough (and still do, of course). Of course, my teachers in elementary were all women, so I had to put up with their pacifist attitudes towards everything ("The fun part of snow forts is building them, not the snow fights, right? I think we can all agree on that." Yeah right. :P).

Another separate (mostly separate, anyway) issue is the way the school system is. Almost nothing gets done at school (I can get as much done in ten minutes homeschooling as I can in forty-five minutes at school). The teachers treat the class as a unit rather than a group of students, punishing everyone for one person's misdeed and teaching everyone a concept that only one or two people have trouble with, and punishing any students who begin working while he/she is still teaching.

The curricula are terribly designed as well. 50% of my social studies textbook does NOT need to be devoted to the native Americans when they make up less than five percent of the population and have been a minority for well over a century. The social studies curriculum is biased in their favour, never once, in most textbooks, mentioning the countless massacres by their side and painting too much of a white and black picture rather than the truth. Grade six is spent learning about government. By grade eight, most students forget just about everything they learned in grade six social studies, not being involved in the government in any way, and having been bored to death by the largely monotonous content of their textbooks. Very little history is taught besides strictly Canadian history, leaving the typical students with a confused knowledge of history, since it is neither taught chronologically nor given relevance in world history. What little history that is taught is taught out of context, without background information or knowledge of how events in Europe led to the colonization of the Americas. Canadian history can be interesting at times, but it is more often dull than not, at least compared to a lot of other history which many students would rather learn.

The math textbooks in use are often ill-suited to many students' learning styles and following them requires little advancement (a lot of time that could be spent learning new material is instead spent reviewing old material).

Science is too environmentally centred to be of real interest.

Language arts is OK, but teachers are generally too lenient with their teaching and marking of grammar and spelling, resulting in nearly illiterate teenagers who are too used to texting in abbreviated, un-punctuated, poorly constructed sentences that they are unable to write a proper essay. Books used in novel studies are only very rarely classics, and are usually very easy and dull (not to many students, but that is because those students haven't been taught well in previous years). Poetry study is retarded, with songs like Katy Perry's "Firework" being used as a study poem. It isn't poetry, it's pop music! There is no deep meaning to that song and it is not worth spending an hour analyzing! Students rarely learn how to write real poetry either. By grade 9 or so they are still writing limericks and haikus.

*sigh*

I doubt many people read that, but I needed to put that out there. That stuff irks me to no end and I need to rant about it every so often. ;)

If someone were to outlaw lawyers all that nonsense would come to an end but you'd have to invent something to enforce the anti-lawyer legislation :-D

I think Shakespeare said it best as always.

"Kill all the lawyers."

Is that...reeegal?

I will make it reeegal.

Warbler said:

TV's Frink said:

Should we get off your lawn now?  I agree with 005.

 Do you?

doubleofive said:

Do we really need to have a Start menu, or even a file system, when you can search for whatever you want? I don't even use the Start Menu on Win7 or OSX, I search for everything.

 He seems to question the logic of having a desktop mode.   You agree with that?

 Oops, I definitely don't agree then.  I insist on desktop mode.

So you think that if a product doesn't reflect what the customers need or want they should still pay for it and shouldn't be allowed to tell a company why it doesn't work?  That's just insane.  Just because something is new doesn't always make it better and if it doesn't work or is harder to use then people are not going to buy the thing.  You seem to assume that Microsoft is some perfect company and that anything they release that is new is better and that if a paying customer doesn't like it and says so that customer is some evil monster plotting against progress. That is not how technology or business works. Technology goes up dead ends and tries out bad ideas all the time. Businesses exist to provide products that make customer's lives easier. They exist to provide a service in exchange for money. The customer does not exist to give them money on demand so they can "push things forward"(By the way who gets to say what is forward progress any way. What makes the people working at Microsoft so special that they get the final say in this?)and if a product doesn't work for customers they are free to say so. That goes double for something like Windows 8 where it comes preinstalled on our new computers and we are never given the option to not get it and we have to spend $150 downgrading to the last version just to get something we can use. Oh and the companies that last they are the ones who ask the people who are not buying their products why they are not working so that they can change the product to reflect the needs of their customers so that they don't flee and use a competitor's product and they get to stay in business. 

Let me put this is personal terms.  I write fan fiction as an exercise to learn how to become a better writer. It's fun and it lets me try out ideas that I have in settings I already know and I can get some great feedback. It's no English 101 or creative writing course but it's better then nothing and the feedback I get helps me become a better writer. You want to know what reviews I find the most helpful and that I ask for? The negative ones. Because I care about what I am doing and I want to provide the reader who has taken time out of his busy day to read my story with a good well written tale. To that end if I keep making the same spelling or grammar mistakes,my prose are clunky,or a plot element doesn't make sense I want to know. So I can be a better writer and one day write something that people will pay money to read. The people who leave negative reviews on fan fiction dot net are not whining and they are not my enemies who I need to defeat,they are my best friends. They are the people who I am working to entertain and their feedback is making me a better writer. I am not doing anything to Microsoft that I have not had done to me.

I applaud Microsoft for in this case listening to their customers instead of ignoring them and then just complaining that their sales are down.  I am still upset about My computer not being an icon and my friend still has trouble with using his windows 8 pc to program and debug stuff but at least they are taking steps to fix this with 8.1 and it looks like 9.

You can't know if a new idea will work or not until you put it out in the real world and have it tested by real people. True forward progress isn't made by just putting an invention out their and saying "This is how it is going to be and no changes will ever be made." True forward progress is made when an invention is put out in the real world and the inventors look at what happens when it is used in the real world and they make tweaks to make it work better in the real world based on what people that use the product say about it. Just look at early cars and how many weird ways their were to steer them and signal and just how unsafe some of them were. The car became what we have today because the people that made them looked at how people used them in real life and looked at what people said about cars and zeroed in on the most popular and most needed features. That is how true forward progress is made,when the companies putting out a product and the people buying it work together to make the product better and easier to use. The customers get a better product and the company makes more money,everyone wins.

Also as I said if you want Windows without a program tree or any icons it's called DOS. Windows is a program designed for idiots like me who found DOS too hard to use. It seems to me what you really should be doing instead of trying to get Microsoft to make Windows more like DOS which seems to be a losing proposition is instead let them know that you would like to see them launch a new version of DOS alongside Windows. Let them know there is a market for DOS 2015 and maybe they will grant your wish.

As I said true progress is only made when their is feedback from the customers,so give them your feedback. Just know exactly what you want so that you can make it clear to them what you want.

Win 7 is the best thing since XP. Win 8 blows walrus penis, I call it Win .8, not even a full 1.

DOS, gosh, those were the days. I learned on that and progressed to Win 3. I was a wiz on DOS back in the 90's, but now can't remember hardly any commands except DIR.