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I don't think it's attack and ridicule. Darklord is on the right track and Puggo's question is an entirely valid one.
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maybe, sSorry if I overreacted.
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Warbler said:
maybe, sorry if I overreacted.
There is no 'maybe' or 'if' about it.
What is best for a God may not be be best for us, and it's a valid proposition to ask especially in the absence of any proof that such an entity exists let alone has our best interests at heart.
To assume that asking these questions is part of an attack on you is a bit paranoid and conspiratorial.
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I admit you are correct, in this instance.
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Warbler said:
I admit you are correct, in this instance.
Warb wins this invisible car :-D
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http://news.yahoo.com/secret-spaceplane-mystery-mission-094500663--politics.html
Here is a gift to all the conspiracy theorists in the forum.
Have fun.
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It's just news, nothing odd there.
I'd be more interested if it was flying over Yellowstone than the Indian Ocean if you know what I mean.
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All bound for Mu-Mu Land?
This must be the sort of structure that Icke dreams of.
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For people who like this sort of thing it's makes for fun interesting listening.
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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
I've always been curious why monotheist religions assume that God means well?
It's only fair that I follow-up....
My dog thinks I'm a God. I am obviously way smarter, I tell it what it should do, I provide for it, feed it. I can perform "miracles", such as unlocking a gate, or making that big machine with wheels go. To some animals, such as chickens, the analogy might even be stronger, because we breed them and thus in some sense "create" them (at least from their point of view). They have no way of seeing much beyond their immediate observations and we are as close to a God as they can imagine.
However, we don't always mean well for them. In the case of the dog, yes of course most of us mean well. But maybe not - for instance, some people raise dogs for dog fighting. And most chickens are raised for eating. When other humans rescue dogs from a life of dog fighting, we often see appalling conditions in which the animals are raised.
Suppose that the being that Christians call "God" (presuming He exists) isn't really a god at all, but is actually just a superior being who is raising us for some nefarious reason. Naturally he would give us orders and tell us what we need to do. He could perform miracles as evidence of His stature. How would we know whether He is actually the God he says he is? Some pretty awful stuff has been going on here -- maybe someday some other similar being will come along and arrest our "God" for whatever bad thing he has been doing with us? Maybe the universe is our "pen" and we just aren't smart enough to unlock the gate and escape?
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I remind you that just because we think our God is doing a bad thing, he might not necessarily been doing something bad.
Example: My Dog probably thinks everyone once in while we do something bad to it. We take it to this place where it is poked and proded and stabbed with needles that hurt. In the past, we took our dog to a place where it lost multiple teeth. The place where all this occured was the Vet's office, of course. Sometimes the dog needs vaccinations and sometimes blood is taken to test to make sure nothing is wrong. My previous dog had to have some of it's teeth removed because they had gone bad. They were infected and had to be removed. I also on image what the dog we I when I was kid for taking him to a place where he lost his testicles. Neutering a male dog is normal operation that is done for health reasons, behavior reasons and to keep the pet population down. Even though all these things are done with the best of intentions, there is no way to explain it to the dog. Maybe the same is possible with God and humans?
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Puggo - Jar Jar's Yoda said:
Suppose that the being that Christians call "God" (presuming He exists) isn't really a god at all, but is actually just a superior being who is raising us for some nefarious reason.
And this is where the very word "god" becomes meaningless, as what does or does not constitute "god" is going to differ depending on who you ask.
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meaningless? huh?
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Warbler said:
I remind you that just because we think our God is doing a bad thing, he might not necessarily been doing something bad.
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Even though all these things are done with the best of intentions, there is no way to explain it to the dog. Maybe the same is possible with God and humans?
Absolutely! In fact, that is the only scientifically consistent argument I have ever heard in favor of a Biblical explanation for the universe. Our point of view is the same as the dog's, and so we can't possibly understand why certain things must be the way they are and why we must do certain things that seem illogical.
However, while I find it consistent, I don't find it persuasive. The same reasoning could be used for every religion that has ever existed.
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Warbler said:
meaningless? huh?
Since no one can agree on what "god" (the word, not necessarily any concepts that come with it) entails, it's essentially meaningless.
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If there is a God working on a higher level beyond our understanding and prompting us to do and inflicting upon us (from our perspective) things we define as evil, why should we worship it (outside the hope it will leave us alone)?
That sort of existence is like being tormented by a bully or living under the reign of a tyrant, from our perspective.
Sure maybe God is 'taking us to the vet' or something like that from it's perspective but I don't have to love it in return. I may indeed resent it.
Keep barking and biting bitches :-D
*amused that the god spelt backwards gag has entered this thread hopping topic*