darth_ender said:
Wasn't there a thread already devoted to the discussion that has taken up the last half dozen pages?
LOL, would YOU post in a thread with a title like that, especially if you saw your name in it?
I believe Frink and I have reached a neutral impasse at this point and neither one of us are complaining about it.
:)
Well, actually I was referring to this thread and the subject that involves more folks. I am glad about this neutral impasse. But I'm far more interested in the argument that spans multiple threads and involves numerous users here.
Well, I baked a b*tch of cookies tonight, but I think I b*tched the job. They were a little burned. Maybe I should ask my b*tch biker chick neighbor to help me.
Note that the above story involves no implied swear words and is almost 100% true. You b*tcha!
darth_ender said:
Well, actually I was referring to this thread and the subject that involves more folks. I am glad about this neutral impasse. But I'm far more interested in the argument that spans multiple threads and involves numerous users here.
Sorry darth_ender ..... I am unsure as to how that particular subject made it so far here though Bingo obviously does like to ramble some.
nevermind, nobody pay attention
Don’t do drugs, unless you’re with me.
Who said that?
ferris209 said:
Bingowings said:
Certainly not but Christians oppressing homosexuals is worse than pagans oppressing Christians because they claim to know better. It's the difference between a cat toying with it's prey and a parent drowning a child's cat.
This is what bugs me, "oppression." Puh-leeeez.
Oppression is what goes on in Muslim countries & Russia.
Just because I believe that employers can dictate your behavior, doesn't mean your oppressed. You CHOOSE to work for who you work for, the United States Government perhaps, you then CHOOSE to obey or disobey the rules laid out to you. You can CHOOSE to not work for that employer and live however you want to live.
I guess I'm oppressed as well. I'm an alcoholic, I didn't choose to be, I was born with it. And yet, my work WILL NOT allow me to drink on duty or discuss my political or religious beliefs in in public. So, I'm oppressed as well I reckon. They even make me wear a certain uniform with certain symbols on it, I can't have a cross pin on it, I'm oppressed! They force me into all kinds of training and such that I feel I don't need, I'm oppressed! You know, they even insist that I record my every action on video and then write, in detail, why I did what I did even though it's on video, I'm oppressed!
Hobby Lobby is being oppressed! Christians are widely being oppressed more and more.
My state will not let me marry more than one woman, dammit I'm oppressed!
I mean, I could be thrown in jail fr my beliefs or actions in other countries or stoned to death for having a sexual desire, but dammit I'm oppressed here!!
Why even haves rules or a civil society, let's just go full on anarchy so that nobody is oppressed, perhaps except for the oppression that roving hordes of thieves, rapists, and murderers inflict seeing as how they always take over in anarchy.
This oppressive society is just so oppressive to the oppressed. Pfft.
Naturally I refer to places like Russia and Uganda (situations aggravated by American evangelists with access to the internet and airplanes).
I am a human being I live on the same planet and I too move around it as do ideas.
That fascism idea spread rather quickly too as I recall as did Islamism to formally moderate Muslim states and former secular states. So yes I do have a vested interest in keeping the wolf of Biblical sanction away from my door.
I have also been in the past subject to repressive laws which have been repealed against the protest of Bible fans and subject to physical attack in my own country so there is the potential for laws of that kind to take hold nearer my door.
Run ins with Warb and others have been in general discussion and also in the context of international affairs. He is upset that I mock the text that the oppression in other countries and the attempts at it here are based on. I argue he isn't the sort of person who would stone someone to death but endorses a text on which those actions are based.
He is very protective of the whole text selectively (when it suits his paranoid fantasy that I am out to get him) but also rejects chunks periodically (when he wishes to express his anger about his paranoid fantasy that I'm out to get him).
Naturally I am addressing the subject here (as well as everywhere else it emerges) because of all the subjects on this thread I am the only user member to be listed. I have every right to defend myself against these bizarre outbursts and I will continue to do so.
I would prefer to talk about other subjects but other people keep stirring the pot.
To equate homosexuality (an attraction to one thing over another) with a chemical addiction is such a stir but I've had it compared to child rape, motor vehicle theft and Gods knows what else on these boards so clearly the great liberal utopia people seem to think exists for homosexuals is as much a myth as the Garden of Eden.
Bingowings said:
To equate homosexuality (an attraction to one thing over another) with a chemical addiction is such a stir but I've had it compared to child rape, motor vehicle theft and Gods knows what else on these boards so clearly the great liberal utopia people seem to think exists for homosexuals is as much a myth as the Garden of Eden.
Good grief, Bingowings, is the purpose of those analogies still going over your head? How many times must I explain what I meant before you get it? This shows to me how little you care about other points of view and how little you want to understand other people. Even when I renounce a position I held earlier or apologize for my lack of clarity or lack of thought in a post, you still bring it up over and over and over again. Every thread in Off Topic seems to end up being about homosexuality and it isn't because other people keep attacking you for it. No, it's because you insist on beating a dead horse and bringing it up at every opportunity, twisting people's words around as if you didn't understand what they said (and you expect us to get what you're saying all the time!?).
I get that you've experienced a lot of hate and misunderstanding, but what will you accomplish by repeating yourself over and over again? Nothing. You will accomplish nothing--except for one thing: you used to seem like a great and fun guy, but as time progresses you seem more and more selfish, self-centred, and prejudiced. I doubt that's what you want to be accomplishing, so try considering a different approach if you want better results.
I would also appreciate it if you made more of an effort to see other people's point of view, took things out of context less often, and didn't twist other people's words around, making them look bad.
*double post*
RicOlie_2 said:
Every thread in Off Topic seems to end up being about homosexuality and it isn't because other people keep attacking you for it. No, it's because you insist on beating a dead horse and bringing it up at every opportunity, twisting people's words around as if you didn't understand what they said (and you expect us to get what you're saying all the time!?).
This last round of discussion came up because ferris blamed gays in the military for Russia taking over Crimea.
RicOlie_2 said:
Bingowings said:
To equate homosexuality (an attraction to one thing over another) with a chemical addiction is such a stir but I've had it compared to child rape, motor vehicle theft and Gods knows what else on these boards so clearly the great liberal utopia people seem to think exists for homosexuals is as much a myth as the Garden of Eden.
Good grief, Bingowings, is the purpose of those analogies still going over your head? How many times must I explain what I meant before you get it? This shows to me how little you care about other points of view and how little you want to understand other people. Even when I renounce a position I held earlier or apologize for my lack of clarity or lack of thought in a post, you still bring it up over and over and over again. Every thread in Off Topic seems to end up being about homosexuality and it isn't because other people keep attacking you for it. No, it's because you insist on beating a dead horse and bringing it up at every opportunity, twisting people's words around as if you didn't understand what they said (and you expect us to get what you're saying all the time!?).
I get that you've experienced a lot of hate and misunderstanding, but what will you accomplish by repeating yourself over and over again? Nothing. You will accomplish nothing--except for one thing: you used to seem like a great and fun guy, but as time progresses you seem more and more selfish, self-centred, and prejudiced. I doubt that's what you want to be accomplishing, so try considering a different approach if you want better results.
I would also appreciate it if you made more of an effort to see other people's point of view, took things out of context less often, and didn't twist other people's words around, making them look bad.
Yeah I'm selfish and self centred being the lone voice of defense (by the looks of things) for a large minority of the human race against the fairy tales and prejudice of a large majority of the humans race on this planet and clearly represented on these boards.
Thread after thread after thread based on various religions and the subject is picked up everywhere else too but I'm selfish because I bang the drum for homosexuality.
I bang other drums too.
I don't hear people moaning so much about my repeated mentions of animal rights or Korean horror movies but when the god squad are in town it's very selfish to defend my sexuality which I repeat is not chose or removable or even expressed much in the way of activity.
Why should make any special effort to see your point of view?
I grew up in a society steeped in thousands of years of history of your point of view. It's been drummed into me since the day I was born. It's everywhere. Adverts, cinema, books, television all depicting over and over again the heterosexual family model. My parents were heterosexual as were the vast majority of my relatives, friends and their relatives too.
I live in a country based largely in the Christian tradition. I was taught Bible stories all the way up to secondary school without an option to reject those lessons and opted for more when I went to sixth form college. My television license fee pays for Christian church services to be televised. I visit Christian places of worship on holiday.
It you who might get something new from trying to see my point of view (largely by not make stupid comparisons between homosexuality and a raft of negative activities) because it is the unusual one. The one we don't both share.
I've spent over four decades walking in your shoes try mine on for size.
I don't think it's you defending your point of view that is offending him or Warbler (or in the past me). I think it's that clarified responses are dismissed and the offending statements always acting as the actual representative view in your mind that bugs them (and was the cause of discord between us in our recent tiff). I actually enjoy our discussions and am always interested in your point of view. It's when I (and likely others) feel that you are refusing to see ours clearly that I/we get irritated. I really hope this does not cause another argument between us because I much prefer meaningful dialogue.
Bingowings said:
RicOlie_2 said:
Bingowings said:
To equate homosexuality (an attraction to one thing over another) with a chemical addiction is such a stir but I've had it compared to child rape, motor vehicle theft and Gods knows what else on these boards so clearly the great liberal utopia people seem to think exists for homosexuals is as much a myth as the Garden of Eden.
Good grief, Bingowings, is the purpose of those analogies still going over your head? How many times must I explain what I meant before you get it? This shows to me how little you care about other points of view and how little you want to understand other people. Even when I renounce a position I held earlier or apologize for my lack of clarity or lack of thought in a post, you still bring it up over and over and over again. Every thread in Off Topic seems to end up being about homosexuality and it isn't because other people keep attacking you for it. No, it's because you insist on beating a dead horse and bringing it up at every opportunity, twisting people's words around as if you didn't understand what they said (and you expect us to get what you're saying all the time!?).
I get that you've experienced a lot of hate and misunderstanding, but what will you accomplish by repeating yourself over and over again? Nothing. You will accomplish nothing--except for one thing: you used to seem like a great and fun guy, but as time progresses you seem more and more selfish, self-centred, and prejudiced. I doubt that's what you want to be accomplishing, so try considering a different approach if you want better results.
I would also appreciate it if you made more of an effort to see other people's point of view, took things out of context less often, and didn't twist other people's words around, making them look bad.
Yeah I'm selfish and self centred being the lone voice of defense (by the looks of things) for a large minority of the human race against the fairy tales and prejudice of a large majority of the humans race on this planet and clearly represented on these boards.
Thread after thread after thread based on various religions and the subject is picked up everywhere else too but I'm selfish because I bang the drum for homosexuality.
I bang other drums too.
I don't hear people moaning so much about my repeated mentions of animal rights or Korean horror movies but when the god squad are in town it's very selfish to defend my sexuality which I repeat is not chose or removable or even expressed much in the way of activity.
Why should make any special effort to see your point of view?
I grew up in a society steeped in thousands of years of history of your point of view. It's been drummed into me since the day I was born. It's everywhere. Adverts, cinema, books, television all depicting over and over again the heterosexual family model. My parents were heterosexual as were the vast majority of my relatives, friends and their relatives too.
I live in a country based largely in the Christian tradition. I was taught Bible stories all the way up to secondary school without an option to reject those lessons and opted for more when I went to sixth form college. My television license fee pays for Christian church services to be televised. I visit Christian places of worship on holiday.
It you who might get something new from trying to see my point of view (largely by not make stupid comparisons between homosexuality and a raft of negative activities) because it is the unusual one. The one we don't both share.
I've spent over four decades walking in your shoes try mine on for size.
Then frickin move to a place where you feel comfortable, safe, and treated equally. Maybe then we can actually have a real conversation with you and not the lone savior of the gay people.
Hell, even Zorro The Gay Blade was far more compassionate, understanding and fun than you are these days. yeesh.
"Just move" isn't very helpful advice. Nor practical in most cases.
TV's Frink said:
RicOlie_2 said:
Every thread in Off Topic seems to end up being about homosexuality and it isn't because other people keep attacking you for it. No, it's because you insist on beating a dead horse and bringing it up at every opportunity, twisting people's words around as if you didn't understand what they said (and you expect us to get what you're saying all the time!?).This last round of discussion came up because ferris blamed gays in the military for Russia taking over Crimea.
You're right, I did place too much blame on Bingowings for starting up these debates. However, Ferris did not blame gays in the military for Russia taking Crimea.
I'm sorry Bingowings for doing the same thing to you that I accused you of, but your attitude has been incredibly irritating lately. There are better ways to defend your point of view than the ones you've been using.
darth_ender said:
I don't think it's you defending your point of view that is offending him or Warbler (or in the past me). I think it's that clarified responses are dismissed and the offending statements always acting as the actual representative view in your mind that bugs them (and was the cause of discord between us in our recent tiff). I actually enjoy our discussions and am always interested in your point of view. It's when I (and likely others) feel that you are refusing to see ours clearly that I/we get irritated. I really hope this does not cause another argument between us because I much prefer meaningful dialogue.
Exactly. Thank you darth_ender. Perhaps I voiced my complaint in the wrong way, but this is what I meant.
Bingowings said:
Yeah I'm selfish and self centred being the lone voice of defense (by the looks of things) for a large minority of the human race against the fairy tales and prejudice of a large majority of the humans race on this planet and clearly represented on these boards.
I'm doing my best!
RicOlie_2 said:
TV's Frink said:
RicOlie_2 said:
Every thread in Off Topic seems to end up being about homosexuality and it isn't because other people keep attacking you for it. No, it's because you insist on beating a dead horse and bringing it up at every opportunity, twisting people's words around as if you didn't understand what they said (and you expect us to get what you're saying all the time!?).This last round of discussion came up because ferris blamed gays in the military for Russia taking over Crimea.
You're right, I did place too much blame on Bingowings for starting up these debates. However, Ferris did not blame gays in the military for Russia taking Crimea.
No, he didn't, but he included it as one of those "social experiments" that causes problems.
I might have exaggerated slightly. ;-)
What Frink said above ^. If members on this board don't want to see (Are getting tired of) defences of Homosexuality in every other thread, then they shouldn't attack it in every other thread.
If something daft like what was said about "social experimentation" (In the politics thread) is posted, then I'd be surprised if Bingowings (And others) didn't take the time to point out how daft it is. Arrant nonsense like that should and will be challenged. If you can't deal with that, don't say it.
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It seems like the Bingo talks only gay stuff meme is replacing the Bingo is only playing Devil's advocate meme which replaced the Bingo is making comments too obscure for Google search meme.
If the subject is to pop up over dozens of threads I'm going to respond to it on dozens of threads and it come up here from Warb's direct comment about me on this thread.
As I say in this case the Biblical stance is culturally ensconced as is the heterosexual nuclear family model so I don't have to step outside a comfort zone or into another head space to see that because it's as common as water.
This is probably why I have to point out why comparing homosexuality to a chemical addiction, mental illness, life-style choice etc is bonkers because as far as is indicated I'm the only example prepared to post on the subject. My position isn't ensconced so I have to shout to be heard over the majority voice.
TV's Frink said:
Bingowings said:
Yeah I'm selfish and self centred being the lone voice of defense (by the looks of things) for a large minority of the human race against the fairy tales and prejudice of a large majority of the humans race on this planet and clearly represented on these boards.
I'm doing my best!
Try harder you heteroldster :-D
Jetrell Fo said:
Bingowings said:
RicOlie_2 said:
Bingowings said:
To equate homosexuality (an attraction to one thing over another) with a chemical addiction is such a stir but I've had it compared to child rape, motor vehicle theft and Gods knows what else on these boards so clearly the great liberal utopia people seem to think exists for homosexuals is as much a myth as the Garden of Eden.
Good grief, Bingowings, is the purpose of those analogies still going over your head? How many times must I explain what I meant before you get it? This shows to me how little you care about other points of view and how little you want to understand other people. Even when I renounce a position I held earlier or apologize for my lack of clarity or lack of thought in a post, you still bring it up over and over and over again. Every thread in Off Topic seems to end up being about homosexuality and it isn't because other people keep attacking you for it. No, it's because you insist on beating a dead horse and bringing it up at every opportunity, twisting people's words around as if you didn't understand what they said (and you expect us to get what you're saying all the time!?).
I get that you've experienced a lot of hate and misunderstanding, but what will you accomplish by repeating yourself over and over again? Nothing. You will accomplish nothing--except for one thing: you used to seem like a great and fun guy, but as time progresses you seem more and more selfish, self-centred, and prejudiced. I doubt that's what you want to be accomplishing, so try considering a different approach if you want better results.
I would also appreciate it if you made more of an effort to see other people's point of view, took things out of context less often, and didn't twist other people's words around, making them look bad.
Yeah I'm selfish and self centred being the lone voice of defense (by the looks of things) for a large minority of the human race against the fairy tales and prejudice of a large majority of the humans race on this planet and clearly represented on these boards.
Thread after thread after thread based on various religions and the subject is picked up everywhere else too but I'm selfish because I bang the drum for homosexuality.
I bang other drums too.
I don't hear people moaning so much about my repeated mentions of animal rights or Korean horror movies but when the god squad are in town it's very selfish to defend my sexuality which I repeat is not chose or removable or even expressed much in the way of activity.
Why should make any special effort to see your point of view?
I grew up in a society steeped in thousands of years of history of your point of view. It's been drummed into me since the day I was born. It's everywhere. Adverts, cinema, books, television all depicting over and over again the heterosexual family model. My parents were heterosexual as were the vast majority of my relatives, friends and their relatives too.
I live in a country based largely in the Christian tradition. I was taught Bible stories all the way up to secondary school without an option to reject those lessons and opted for more when I went to sixth form college. My television license fee pays for Christian church services to be televised. I visit Christian places of worship on holiday.
It you who might get something new from trying to see my point of view (largely by not make stupid comparisons between homosexuality and a raft of negative activities) because it is the unusual one. The one we don't both share.
I've spent over four decades walking in your shoes try mine on for size.
Then frickin move to a place where you feel comfortable, safe, and treated equally. Maybe then we can actually have a real conversation with you and not the lone savior of the gay people.
Hell, even Zorro The Gay Blade was far more compassionate, understanding and fun than you are these days. yeesh.
The back of the bus?
Bingowings said:
RicOlie_2 said:
Bingowings said:
[stuff]
[rant]
Yeah I'm selfish and self centred being the lone voice of defense (by the looks of things) for a large minority of the human race against the fairy tales and prejudice of a large majority of the humans race on this planet and clearly represented on these boards.
Defending your position is not self-centred and selfish. It's the way you treat others that is.
Thread after thread after thread based on various religions and the subject is picked up everywhere else too but I'm selfish because I bang the drum for homosexuality.
I bang other drums too.
I don't hear people moaning so much about my repeated mentions of animal rights or Korean horror movies but when the god squad are in town it's very selfish to defend my sexuality which I repeat is not chose or removable or even expressed much in the way of activity.
You don't make nearly as big of a deal over animal rights or repeat it nearly as often. I'm fine with you defending yourself, but rather than slander others, why don't you accept that they don't hate you or condemn you for what you do? Because most of us don't. We may think it's morally wrong, but I don't think anyone on this forum would hate someone just for being gay.
Why should make any special effort to see your point of view?
Because I make an effort to see yours.
It you who might get something new from trying to see my point of view (largely by not make stupid comparisons between homosexuality and a raft of negative activities) because it is the unusual one. The one we don't both share.
This is why I would like you to make more of an effort to understand me. The analogy about car theft was merely to explain to Frink how it was possible for someone to love another person even though the other person did things that were wrong. I used a serious example to further my point, but it could have been stealing from the cookie jar instead of vehicle theft. My point would have remained the same. The analogy didn't even require homosexual acts to even be wrong at all for it to work, so I don't get why you make such a big deal over it.
I can see why the pedophilia statement could have been offensive, and I believe I already apologized for that. Again, I have changed my views on the subject somewhat, and I don't think it was a very good analogy. It was not, however, intended to equate the seriousness of homosexual acts with pedophilic acts.
I've spent over four decades walking in your shoes try mine on for size.
You've not been in my shoes and I won't be in yours, but I do my best to see your point of view. When someone's view changes, accept that you've won and stop bringing up their original view repeatedly. It is very tiring.
I don't go around accusing you guys of all purposely picking on me personally with your 'traditional' values. I don't post your names on this thread and yet I'm self-centred, I'm selfish.
I defended Gaffer against comments about his clothing decisions and I've never worn traditional women's clothing.
I don't have to constantly defend my vegetarianism (something I actually get to practice daily) because it's not constantly under fire from a very vocal group of people on here and in the wider world. But if you were to add up the unprompted times I mention both you will find I actually mention it more.
It's the utterances of the scripturally convinced that egg me into responses about homosexuality.
I brought up the past references because Ferris made a similar statement.
If someone were to come on here and bitch about heterosexuality being an affliction (Trooperman) or like drug addiction (Ferris) or an abomination to St Rob and require special laws to limit it's spread I'll be the first to come to your aid.
I can't see it happening personally because... oh yes I'm part of the minority.
Bingowings said:
Jetrell Fo said:
Then frickin move to a place where you feel comfortable, safe, and treated equally. Maybe then we can actually have a real conversation with you and not the lone savior of the gay people.
Hell, even Zorro The Gay Blade was far more compassionate, understanding and fun than you are these days. yeesh.
The back of the bus?
No, someplace nice .... maybe the Philippines, Amsterdam, Spain ...... someplace where the landscape is beautiful and beautiful culture surrounds oneself.