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STAR WARS DVD Producer Van Ling answers the tough questions! — Page 2

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" Lucas claims the OT doesn't exist anymore ... then where the hell and how the hell did they get the original opening crawl for Star Wars (the 1977 version !)"

ROTFLMFAO! Bwah-ha-ha-ha-ha. Take THAT, Lucas!

"PS. MeBeJedi ... any thread I should check to read more about those rips you are apparenty doing ?"

Check my .sig.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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doesn't that make us all share/stakeholders?


Hell no it doesn't.

You didn't buy that toy going "Hey, this is a down payment for a future DVD release" you didn't buy that book saying "This is future insurance for when the movies are released later" you bought the book TO READ THE BOOK. You bought the toy to PLAY WITH THE TOY (or hang it up, mint in condition, on your wall to eventually sell for a profit on ebay, whatever)

Lucas didn't MAKE YOU buy the merchandising. You weren't fooled or anything. Maybe you FEEL fooled. Maybe you're looking at the walls of mint-in box carded toys, framed posters, resting your feet on the stacks of Expanded Universe novels, as you type your opinion into an internet messageboard makes you FEEL like you got taken. But that's all YOU. You buy a ticket, you watch a movie. You buy a DVD, you watch a movie. You buy a toy, you play with the toy. You buy some pillowcases, you rest your head on them. To then take those purchases and use them as some kind of leverage to assume CREATIVE OWNERSHIP of the property, to act as if you EMPLOYED the man responsible for it--that's just not thinking clearly. That's not understanding your role in the producer/consumer equasion.

You got what you paid for. Nowhere on the packaging of your mint in box Greedo figure does it say "(proceeds of this purchase entitle you to part ownership of Lucasfilm LTD" and neither do the inserts on the Soundtracks have your mail-in suggestion forms as to what creative decision Lucas should make next.

Now if you personally donated money to the man just out of the goodness of your heart, or lent him a couple thousand while he was down and out, maybe I could see your point. Then you WOULD be putting food on his plate. But you didn't. You've never even talked to the man. You've just bought his product. He never saw a dime of your money until he performed for you, until he did something. Try pulling that line on the checkout girl next time you're buying some Cornflakes, see how much gratification is returned.

It's just a whole hell of a lot easier to come clean and simply say "I just want these movies on DVD. Period." tacking all these lame justifications onto that does nothing but weaken the arguments and make us out to be spoiled brats.
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Bizz- I said pretty much that exact same thing a week or three ago, and the thread got maybe 4 responses.

Nobody wants to just be civil and say "I want the movies." They all seem more comfortable throwing a fit and claiming they deserve the movies, (which may be true in the end, but the temper tantrum probably isn't going to get much), and thus the Lucas bashing threads drag on for days and weeks on end.


EDIT: Alright, it just occured to me that I need to clarify a bit and state that by "nobody", I'm being a little harsh. There are, in fact, a few well balanced folks around here who really don't give a crap one way or another what somebody else likes, or what they feel anybody owes them, and keep everything cool, calm and civil. They just want the original version in a non-degrading format, and don't care what the super-duper-special-extra-bigbig-funtime-edition that Lucas may or may not be working on at any given moment contains, cause they realize that it's not really worth that much bitching. Seriously, for the most part people around here are pretty cool.
For as much as some people claim to hate what Star Wars has become, they sure seem incapable of shutting up about it.
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"and thus the Lucas bashing threads drag on for days and weeks on end."

As opposed to the poster-bashing threads. This is in large part why I want the LD threads moved to a different forum. Whiners whining about whiners gets very old as well.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Then stop whining! *har*har*
For as much as some people claim to hate what Star Wars has become, they sure seem incapable of shutting up about it.
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Double-irony.

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: Sadly, I believe the prequels are beyond repair.
<span class=“Bold”>JediRandy: They’re certainly beyond any repair you’re capable of making.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>MeBeJedi: You aren’t one of us.
<span class=“Bold”>Go-Mer-Tonic: I can’t say I find that very disappointing.</span></span>

<span class=“Italics”>JediRandy: I won’t suck as much as a fan edit.</span>

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Hey fanboys, I have ABSOLUTELY NO ILLUSIONS of ever receiving the O-OT on DVD, and Georgie Porgy has stated that he will never release these on DVD. It's pretty obvious that the crappy Prequels have caused Lucas to go back into the OT and "re-define his vision" so that the excellent O-OT starts looking more like the shit of the PT.

Does anyone REALLY think Lucas is just going to throw all that away, delete all the PT connections, all the pukey CGI, and simply release the O-OT, a set of films that Lucas calls "unfinished"?

Not me, so why ask for what you will never receive, when you can slam the senile old idiot responsible for this sad state of affairs.
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Not me, so why ask for what you will never receive, when you can slam the senile old idiot responsible for this sad state of affairs.


Wow. That's productive. So that's why you post here.

Brilliant.
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Leave him alone, he can think what he wants.

***Edited by ILM***
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I call Godwin

Moll.

"Right now the coffees are doing their final work." (Airi, Masked Rider Den-o episode 1)

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Godwin's Law enacted, good call Molly.

We'll check with the judges and...


...and yes, that pretty much kills the thread! Nothing like comparing disagreements over Star Wars TO THE FUCKING HOLOCAUST.

Congratulations "Darth Justin" You have enacted Godwin's Law. If you are new to the phrase, do a Google Search on "Godwin's Law" and read up.

Thank you for contributing!
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Godwin's law has been proven wrong. Do a google search for that.

It's actually a paradox. The only way the thread would be killed is by actually bringing up the law itself and therefore invoking argument on it.

But I'll pull a George Lucas for you guys just because I'm cool...

He had the right to say what he wanted about George Lucas, just as you have the right to say what you want. So no.
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I think my comments about everyone owning a little piece of the Star Wars Legacy have been taken out of context, or been misunderstood, I originally posted it as reaction to all the 'They're his movies and he can do whatever he wants with them!' people.

technically Yes he does have every right as the owner to distribute the original trilogy as he chooses to, but surely he has a moral obligation to the legions of fans over the last 27 years who fell in love with the original releases of the films and fuelled the creation of Georges Empire . George's original film may have been the seed, but it has been the fans that allowed that seed to flourish and grow into what it is today , if it wasn't for the public falling in love with Star Wars there never would have been any sequals, spin-offs , merchandising, Skywalker Ranch,ILM, Special Editions or prequals, and yet the contempt he seems to display towards fans of his original vision in interviews is staggering. I'm not a collector by any means, the only action-figures I own are the remnants of my original collection from when I was 12, which far from being mint in packet , have been well loved over the years and handed down to a baby brother so they are in various states of condition. Star Wars over the years has been near and dear to millions of people over the last 3 decades and I just believe we deserve a little bit more than an 'Apology' for falling in love with his 'unfinished' films all those years ago.

Now having said all that, I am over over the moon regarding George's recent comments/concessions towards releasing the Original Trilogy on DVD format once VHS is obsolete.