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Harmy I would reccomend the Western Digital caviar black. The Reds are more designed for storage and backup while the blacks are for performance designed for gamers and movie editors. How close are yo to your goal in US dollars?
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OK, so me and my friend stayed up all night looking at different components and this is what we settled on:
GIGABYTE GA-Z87-D3HP - Intel Z87
2x WD Red - 3TB |
Enermax NAXN 82+ ADV ETL550AWT 550W
EuroCase ML 301, ?erná/st?íbrná
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium CZ 64bit OEM
The price of these components (and Windows, which is quite expensive as well) combined is around 27000CZK - I currently have 21,084.20CZK, so that's still quite a bit short for this combo. I looked and you can't really buy these components much cheaper than this here and if you go for cheaper components, you also go for much lower performance. You'll also notice the absence of a dedicated GPU - I decided to go that way in favor of a more powerful CPU, which is much more important for video work. If I wanted to lower the price, I guess I could do with just one HDD but having two would be beneficial for rendering and encoding and I'd still be a bit short (and smaller HDDs wouldn't come much cheaper if I don't want to buy Seagate).
So, what do you guys think?
Actually I was wondering about GPU, and I think forgoing that could help protect you against overheating issues leading to rendering glitches (discrete graphics cards can add to system heat and also mess up case airflow). I think it's a workhorse machine. You may want to add a dedicated GPU later for other purposes of course and that would be fine.
Oh yeah: RAID would be nice for render speeds, and so nice in fact that if I were strapped for cash, I'd personally trade out half the RAM rather than sacrifice RAID. I'm sure you'll get other opinions ;)
I may not be technically skilled or very knowledgeable in the many processes that go into creating this project, but I am fortunate enough to be financially stable despite being a college student.
At last, a way I can measurably contribute to this amazing project.
May the Force (and my money) be with you, Harmy!
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Thank you! I'm now up to 22,998.96CZK! That means I could almost buy the components without one of the HDDs.
Again, THANKS SO MUCH to everyone who contributed!
Isn't GPU important for your work? Nvidia's CUDA would probably be useful. Overheating really isn't the problem it used to be. If you get good CPU cooler, case, and some fans, I doubt you ever have a problem with it.
Also, absolutely go with 256GB SSD. They offer significant boost in overall computer performance. It may not do much for rendering/editing, because of small capacity, but you'll be using this computer on a daily basis (I think?). Having the whole thing boot up in a few seconds is awesome.
I'll try to improve this build in a few hours.
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Don't think I haven't considered an ssd, but in the end I decided against it, because ssds have very limited rewrite capacity, so for the kind of work I do, an ssd couldn't really be used and my friend has one and showed me how fast his compiter boots and it really isn't enough of an improvement over a normal hdd for it to be worth for me buying a 256GB ssd instead of a 3TB hdd (more or less the same price range and still much faster than my current setup, of one laptop hdd, which is slow as far as internal hdds go, one usb3 hdd, and 3 usb 2s, two of which are very old and therefore unreliable, which means, I'll also need the capacity to back up the data from them).
As to the gpu, this cpu has a powerful enough gpu integrated for what I need and most video editing programs don't use gpu at all or to a very limited capacity and I don't really play games, so it would be a very large, and ultimatelly unnecesary, extra investment to buy a dedicated gpu noticeably more powerful than the one integrated in this cpu.
And as to dropping half the ram in favor of anything else, that is out of the question - large and fast ram is absolutelly esential for advanced video editing.
I'm by no means knocking what you guys are saying and I asked for your opinions and I'm grateful for them, but just know that I really thought this through. It would be nice to add more things but even as it is now I exceeded my original budget quite a bit, so I have to go with what I'll have the most use for.
Okay, if you don't need SSD or GPU, you should be just fine with your build. However IMO we can make it better:
1. Seasonic PSU
http://www.czc.cz/seasonic-s12g-550-550w/145290/produkt
It's a solid product, from trusted company. A little more expensive than the other one, but saving money on PSU isn't a good idea.
2. Make sure your RAM will fit under the custom CPU cooler. These things are huge and take a lot of space on the mobo. Kingston's radiators aren't very tall, so I think it won't be an issue, but you can't be too careful.
3. Consider getting another case. $25 cost of this one makes me very suspicious about it's quality. Remember that all cases are standardized, ATX is around since 1995. The case you buy now can be used for several other builds in the next 15 years. $25 cases tend to cause problems with heat, and often become noisy after 1-2 years of usage. You know, that annoying vibrating sound coming out of nowhere, which stops for 10 minutes after you kick the damn thing. ;)
I recommend Coolermaster and NZXT cases in particular.
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Actually, we looked at the case last and we didn't really have much time to pick it, so because we were already over budget, we went for a cheap one, but I will likely look around more on that. As to the PSU, I will also definitely take that under advisement, thank you :-)
Harmy I would reccomend the Western Digital caviar black. The Reds are more designed for storage and backup while the blacks are for performance designed for gamers and movie editors. How close are yo to your goal in US dollars?
Right now, I'm about $200 short for the current setup, if I'm counting correctly.
Donated. Thank you for your work and good luck with the system build.
While I think an nvidia card being present for CUDA is a good thing, I can see it not being all that useful to you for this project and being left out. The Intel graphics starting from 4000 are actually quite decent and should do you for most all cases you're looking at using it for.
An SSD used just for booting and containing your programs, with spinning HDDs for all storage and processing needs, would be a pretty good thing overall, and I do like a small, efficient boot drive... but go with what you want on that.
And yes, if WD Black is cheaper than Red, and you plan to do the badblocks test I HIGHLY recommend, then I'd say you might as well go Black.
Anyone telling you to get less RAM is just wrong, but I think you know that already.
Mostly just want to say that, with my quickly approaching Japan trip, I've begun watching v2.5 tonight with Japanese audio, and that is quite something for a comprehension test... I KNOW what should be said, and I have to match what I'm hearing with it... It is interesting, and thank you for making it possible.
Donation sent. Seeing everything you've done for us, it's only natural for us to do something for you.
Just hope you don't spend it all on "pivo"! :P
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Wow, I go away for a few days and all this happens!
Harmy, I think you should allow donations until at least the end of the month and see what you get, it could be substantially more than you budgeted for and allow for even better components than previously discussed. A point on SSDs though, as I understand it, previous fears about writing life of them were greatly exaggerated and with modern SSDs it's barely even a factor at all.
I do hope that you will use anything left over to enjoy a night out as well - if anyone here deserves it, you do!
I desperately want to contribute as this has been a project I have followed for a very long time and having burned several copies of the trilogy as it is right now for my friends and family I know just how much they treasure them like I do - it's a wonderful project and I will forever be in debt to you. What I can offer won't be much but once pay day comes (the end of the month) I'll be sure to send it on to you.
It's lovely to see the community help when required :)
I personally think a really small SSD (64 gigs) as a boot drive and a couple of large capacity storage drives for the video files would be a kick ass system.
But I understand you have a budget.
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My donation sent as well. Harmy I'm pleased to hear that your thinking of even better things for the trilogy down the road.
THANK YOU GUYS! I'm currently up to 24,405.28CZK, so almost there! The beauty of a build like this is that I can now build a pretty kick as machine that completely works and then I can always upgrade it, if any more donations come - so I could maybe buy an SSD disc or a GPU later.
And as to beer, I have every intention of spending all the money on the computer, because it's something I'll get much more use from :-) At most, if there is some money left over after I got the parts, I will buy some more blank BDs for testing and backup and I was thinking possibly a very cheap small monitor, just to be able to have a two monitor setup, with all the tools on the small monitor and only the movie showing on the the big one I have now - that would be pretty kick-ass since it would allow me to see the full picture with full detail all at once as I'm working on it.
I didn't notice a Blu-ray burner in your list of components, are you planning on getting one or just use an external? You'll probably be happier with the performance of an internal, with the cost of the internal DVD-RW drive put toward a BD drive, just my two cents. Also, I've been happy with the performance and compatibility I've had so far with LG BD drives.
I have an LG external BD-RW and it seems like a waste to buy an internal one, when even the cheapest ones are still 4 times more expensive than a cheap DVD-RW.
Harmy said:
And as to beer, I have every intention of spending all the money on the computer, because it's something I'll get much more use from :-)
I used to be pretty sure you had your priorities straight. I just don't know, man. Screw the computer and spend it ALL on beer, I say.
I am really happy for you for the new computer. Its going to be a great setup. Maybe when its all done you can get some nice kick ass speakers to go with it.
please post a picture of it when you can.
looking for HDTV of the Attack of the Clones and Revenge of the Sith. Also HDTV of The Lord of the Rings trilogy
Well, far be it for me to say not to get a nice DVD-RW drive, I know I don't tend to build a serious encoding machine without at least a dedicated DVD-RW drive in addition to whatever else, like a nice BD drive. If you're liking what you've got, then I'm sure it will be fine (if you ever need to replace it, it can easily be one of those upgrades this new build will allow for), especially since BD burning isn't exactly the most frequently done thing.
Oh, looking forward, if the programs you use come to really take advantage of nvidia's CUDA processing, you might want to look into getting a computer case that will allow for particularly long cards, as some of the higher-end ones can be pretty massive.
With the PC cases, it's basically the bigger the better.
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