What do you HATE about the EU? — Page 8

Well, if it's any consolation to everyone who hates TFU, the guy who plays Starkiller dies in The Mist.

That it uses the prequels as an excuse for its own badness.

That the EU has the Sith become extinct before the Rule of Two is implemented. This contradicts Yoda knowing about the Rule of Two.

^I know that. Some people feel placated with seeing a subject of their ire suffer in some other incarnation, though.

skyjedi2005 said:

He was also doomsday on smallville.  I liked him enough in the force unleashed and in the clone wars, but he was awful on smallville.

Almost everything on Smallville was awful (John Glover, Michael Rosenbaum, John Schneider, and Annette O'Toole excluded, of course).

Smallville got really good in its last few seasons, which really made me wish it had adopted that storytelling style far earlier in its run, since it then ended just as I was getting really into it.

The previous years were filled with potential but wasted it on endless rubbish with the insufferable Lana Lang and Clark's inability to ever think straight around her, which was so bad it's a miracle I ever made it through any of that stuff.

But Erica Durance was so awesome as Lois Lane that it kept me going, since I'd heard it would become great by the end, and it definitely did not disappoint.

Stay on topic...stay on topic....

hairy_hen said:

Smallville got really good in its last few seasons, which really made me wish it had adopted that storytelling style far earlier in its run, since it then ended just as I was getting really into it.

The previous years were filled with potential but wasted it on endless rubbish with the insufferable Lana Lang and Clark's inability to ever think straight around her, which was so bad it's a miracle I ever made it through any of that stuff.

But Erica Durance was so awesome as Lois Lane that it kept me going, since I'd heard it would become great by the end, and it definitely did not disappoint.

I actually used to like the show when I was younger, and there are some aspects I still like, but it's hard for me now to ignore how poorly Clark was characterized, how mishandled the Superman mythos was, and how -- for lack of a better term -- "teen chic" it was. The overuse of elements taken from the Reeve films certainly didn't help any, either.

(We now return to the on-topic discussion already in progress)

How Force-users are responsible for every little thing about the galaxy. Black holes? Force-users created them. The biome of every single planet? The work of Force-users.

^Let's not forget zombie plagues.

Which reminds me -- I hate Death Troopers. KJA's worst stories look like Shakespeare in comparison with this horribly paced, poorly characterized, internally inconsistent tripe.

For me being an ardent Han/Leia fan (I'm sort of romantic mood, ya know) "The Courtship of Princess Leia" as a crying nonsense is like spit in my face. Zero understanding of personalities of both characters, huge EMOTIONAL inconsistency with their love story arc we saw in ESB and ROTJ (I mean, c'mon, how could Leia, who risked her life to rescue Solo - that dashing scoundrel she fell in love with and who she shared so many ups and downs with - even think of possibility to marry another man. She was made into really disdainful bitch here. And seriously, we're talking about HARRISON FORD! How many women would prefer some polished dude "prince Isolder" over FORD?!)

Another one also regards the EU crap about Solo him "discovering" his noble ancestry. WTF!!! So in order to justify his pretensions to marry Leia (who, remember, confessed her love in the worst possible situation that could ever happen!) some authors decided to bear this out by tying up this to some class-conscious way of thinking. What a shit! Integrity of her character and her strong moral values and principles (of which loyalty to the single man she would choose as her lover is a main one, I suppose) by no means makes this possible:  neither political considerations nor social prejudices was no matter for her to be with Han, be it a simple liaison or a legal marriage. The fact of Solo's ordinary origins even makes their relations even more romantic and sensitive. Screw the EU!!!!!! Hope it dies. FOREVER!

Mavericks said:

For me being an ardent Han/Leia fan (I'm sort of romantic mood, ya know) "The Courtship of Princess Leia" as a crying nonsense is like spit in my face. Zero understanding of personalities of both characters, huge EMOTIONAL inconsistency with their love story arc we saw in ESB and ROTJ (I mean, c'mon, how could Leia, who risked her life to rescue Solo - that dashing scoundrel she fell in love with and who she shared so many ups and downs with - even think of possibility to marry another man. She was made into really disdainful bitch here. And seriously, we're talking about HARRISON FORD! How many women would prefer some polished dude "prince Isolder" over FORD?!)

Yeah, this aspect of the novel is just so goddamn stupid (too bad the various guidebooks never let on just how stupid this plot was -- I may have had the good sense to ignore reading the book altogether).

Another one also regards the EU crap about Solo him "discovering" his noble ancestry. WTF!!! So in order to justify his pretensions to marry Leia (who, remember, confessed her love in the worst possible situation that could ever happen!) some authors decided to bear this out by tying up this to some class-conscious way of thinking. What a shit! Integrity of her character and her strong moral values and principles (of which loyalty to the single man she would choose as her lover is a main one, I suppose) by no means makes this possible:  neither political considerations nor social prejudices was no matter for her to be with Han, be it a simple liaison or a legal marriage. The fact of Solo's ordinary origins even makes their relations even more romantic and sensitive.

It's funny, actually -- later stories that focus on Han ignore this backstory completely, establishing instead that Han is an orphan with no memory of his parents and only one known relative (who certainly isn't royalty).

If only the people running the EU for the last thirteen or so years would have been so bold as to throw out blatantly stupid additions to the universe that don't work. *cough*JediPrinceSeries*cough*

Screw the EU!!!!!! Hope it dies. FOREVER!

Okay, now you're just being silly ...

DuracellEnergizer said:

Screw the EU!!!!!! Hope it dies. FOREVER!

Okay, now you're just being silly ...

 ????

Saying "Screw the EU!!!!!! Hope it dies. FOREVER!" just because of one lousy book is silly. There are plenty of other works in the EU that do Han -- and the Han/Leia relationship in particular -- justice.

This story, for example

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/A_Valentine_Story

is an excellent pre-TESB story which explores Han and Leia's developing feelings for one another (the art is awesome as well -- it really captures the spirit of the characters, and the colours are gorgeous).

Legacy of The Force. If New Jedi Order is the OOT, LOTF is the SE and PT. Vergere and Jacen are completely different characters in LOTF.

The NJO is basically "You thought you knew everything about the Force -- ha! -- you were wrong!", while LOTF is basically "Daddy Lucas, we were wrong, but we can fix it! We can make it like it was! Please don't punish us, Daddy, please!"

DuracellEnergizer said:

Saying "Screw the EU!!!!!! Hope it dies. FOREVER!" just because of one lousy book is silly. There are plenty of other works in the EU that do Han -- and the Han/Leia relationship in particular -- justice.

This story, for example

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/A_Valentine_Story

is an excellent pre-TESB story which explores Han and Leia's developing feelings for one another (the art is awesome as well -- it really captures the spirit of the characters, and the colours are gorgeous).

 

Yes, I'm a bit anti-EU. The thing is that if you want to tell us about some events that for some reasons weren't present in the movies, then make another movie. I wasn't pleased when I learned of a multitude of spin-offs and the criteria is not were they good or not: this should be applied to the quality of the SW movies (not TV series) and - as I said in another thread about episode 7 - if a filmmaker makes a movie depicting events you can understand only by reading about Han and Lando adventures then it's a very weak filmmaking but excellent businessmaking. I prefer to imagine by myself some uncovered plots rather than having them watched and be disappointed. I say so because what I've read left exactly same bitter impression even if considered the best (Thrawn).

http://starwars.wikia.com/wiki/A_Valentine_Story sounded promising and surely I'll throw eye on it to read in detail :) Thanks for posting it, though I thought that "the spark" between them flashed more earlier, closer to right after ANH :))) Interesting what happened at Ord Mantell and what Leia felt when that Bounty Hunter  came to remind Solo about his debt... ;)

I hate how the EU uses "prequel logic" to get away with nearly anything.

^That must explain why crap like this

keeps showing up, regardless of the fact that it contradicts stuff like this

DuracellEnergizer said:

^That must explain why crap like this

keeps showing up, regardless of the fact that it contradicts stuff like this

That's exactly what I was trying to say. Thanks for the pictures.