The Audio Preservation Thread — Page 6

clenchdwarf said:

From the wanted list in post 2, I have these laserdiscs, and should be able to capture the PCM audio bit-perfectly.:

Apocalypse Now

Army Of Darkness

Blade Runner (dir cut, CAV)

Jaws (not sure of the version)

Die Hard 2 (and 1 and 3 if needed)

Terminator 2

Movies I want the LD (or even VHS HiFi) soundtracks from:

Return Of The Living Dead (plus 2 and 3)

The Junkman (all the music was replaced on the DVD version)

 That would be great clenchdwarf! Any of those you could send my way would be great and most appreciated.

If anyone is looking for a soundtrack, let me know and I will add it to the list. I just added Doombot looking for Creepshow 2

Out of curiosity do you know why the Junkman soundtrack was changed? Maybe a music rights issue?

Also have two new tracks to add donated by Buster D:

Movie: The Goonies

Format: Laserdisc 12304

Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit, bit perfect

Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 48 khz, 16-bit

Synced To: 2010/11 Blu-ray Release Region A

Ripped/Synced by: Buster D

Notes: Contains the original Dolby Stereo soundtrack.


Movie: Star Trek III

Format: Laserdisc LV1621-WS

Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit, bit perfect

Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 48 khz, 16-bit

Synced To: 2009 Blu-ray Release Region A/2013 Individual Release

Ripped/Synced by: Buster D

Notes: Contains the original Dolby Stereo soundtrack.

You can PM me if you want a copy.

Thanks for adding Creepshow 2, the blu-ray only provided 5.1 and it sounds awful. At least i have the dvd audio 2 channel 192kbps. Was hoping the LD would be higher quality.

Movie: Do The Right Thing

Format: Laserdisc CC1418L

Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit, bit perfect

Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit

Synced To: Needs to be synced to the U.S. Blu-ray - Not Synced

Ripped by: zeropc

Notes: Contains the original Dolby Stereo soundtrack. Criterion Collection LD Exclusive Audio Commentary has also been captured.

zeropc said:

Movie: Do The Right Thing

Format: Laserdisc CC1418L

Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit, bit perfect

Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit

Synced To: Needs to be synced to the U.S. Blu-ray - Not Synced

Ripped by: zeropc

Notes: Contains the original Dolby Stereo soundtrack. Criterion Collection LD Exclusive Audio Commentary has also been captured.

Thanks, zeropc. I added it to the list. Also new:

Movie: Outland

Format: Laserdisc 12224

Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit

Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 48 khz, 16-bit

Synced To: 2013 Blu-ray Release Region A

Ripped/Synced by: Buster D

Notes: Contains the original Dolby Stereo soundtrack.

PM me if you want a copy

Does anybody have the original mono track from the Japanese LD of Police Story 2? The mono track on the DVD sounds really messed up.

Add two more to the list:

Movie: Back to the Future

Format: Laserdisc 41056

Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit,  bit perfect

Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 48 khz, 16-bit

Synced To: DCP (Digital Cinema Package) downconverted to 1080p

Ripped/Synced by: PDB/deho

Notes: Contains the original Dolby Stereo soundtrack.

Movie: Robocop

Format: Laserdisc CC1463L

Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit,  bit perfect

Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 48 khz, 16-bit

Synced To: 2014 Blu-ray Release (4K Remaster) Region A

Ripped/Synced by: zeropc/Jonno

Notes: Contains the original Dolby Stereo soundtrack.

Quick question: Does anyone have the PCM for Sleepy Hollow from the LD?

Anyone got the HK Laserdisc of Story of Ricky AKA Riki-Oh?

PDB said:

Quick question: Does anyone have the PCM for Sleepy Hollow from the LD?

All I have is DTS cinema for the live action Sleepy Hollow.

Jetrell Fo said:

PDB said:

Quick question: Does anyone have the PCM for Sleepy Hollow from the LD?

All I have is DTS cinema for the live action Sleepy Hollow.

 Thanks Jetrell Fo, I love your DTS project. Who would ever think you could get access to the original theatrical sound. It is beyond awesome!

Does anyone have The Fly (1986)? In recent years Fox have been pretty good in including original mixes on their BDs but they hadn't got into that habit yet for this, one of their earliest titles (and a PCM track is of course preferred).

Anyone know where I could get the original cinematic LPCM (from Laserdisc most likely) tracks for JAWS, The Adventures of Robin Hood, The Big Sleep, The first 14 James Bond films, Scarface (1930's & 1983), Bullitt, Interview with the Vampire, Arsenic and Old Lace, RoboCop (Criterion), The Terminator, Forbidden Planet, The Graduate, The Evil Dead, Evil Dead II: Dead by Dawn, The Sea Hawk, Captain Blood, Key Largo, 1930's and 1940's films.

PDB said:

Jetrell Fo said:

PDB said:

Quick question: Does anyone have the PCM for Sleepy Hollow from the LD?

All I have is DTS cinema for the live action Sleepy Hollow.

 Thanks Jetrell Fo, I love you DTS project. Who would ever think you could get access to the original theatrical sound. It is beyond awesome!

I should say now that not everyone enjoys the cinema DTS.  We have to remember, most of the time when these movies go to DVD/Bluray, the soundtracks get remixed and beefed up for those who don't have fancy surround systems.  Some theater mixes were made a little hot.  For instance, I've heard a lot of folks comment on how good the SE Trilogy mixes were for the theater ...... they were created that way for the theater.  To kick your ass while you're still in your seat, others weren't. 

The LFE isn't designed as a subwoofer channel, it's a low frequency effects channel so if the movie doesn't have a lot of special effects, it may come off as quiet or non-existent.  That's not to say that one couldn't adjust the channels before putting them in to a DTS encoder as sometimes channels have hot-spots that need to be toned down for home use.  Each film is different in it's own right depending on what it needs due to it's presentation.  

Jetrell Fo said:

PDB said:

Jetrell Fo said:

PDB said:

Quick question: Does anyone have the PCM for Sleepy Hollow from the LD?

All I have is DTS cinema for the live action Sleepy Hollow.

 Thanks Jetrell Fo, I love you DTS project. Who would ever think you could get access to the original theatrical sound. It is beyond awesome!

I should say now that not everyone enjoys the cinema DTS.  We have to remember, most of the time when these movies go to DVD/Bluray, the soundtracks get remixed and beefed up for those who don't have fancy surround systems.  Some theater mixes were made a little hot.  For instance, I've heard a lot of folks comment on how good the SE Trilogy mixes were for the theater ...... they were created that way for the theater.  To kick your ass while you're still in your seat, others weren't. 

The LFE isn't designed as a subwoofer channel, it's a low frequency effects channel so if the movie doesn't have a lot of special effects, it may come off as quiet or non-existent.  That's not to say that one couldn't adjust the channels before putting them in to a DTS encoder as sometimes channels have hot-spots that need to be toned down for home use.  Each film is different in it's own right depending on what it needs due to it's presentation.  

 I definitely hear were you are coming from Jetrell but I don't understand why people wouldn't like the sound of the Cinema DTS. I started this thread as an attempt to catalog and save soundtracks that were as close to what you heard in the theater as possible. Most of these laserdiscs are close to the original Dolby Stereo/Mono/etc but those Cinema DTS are exactly what you heard in the theater. No argument about it. I for one, love to hear what it sounded like in the theater. No near-field nonsense, no filtering the LFE, no clipping the highs and lows for the dialogue...none of that, just what the mixer intended an audience to hear, I want to hear that in home too. Jurassic Park and the Matrix's Cinema DTS soundtracks just had better dynamics coming out of my speakers. More punch. To each their own, I still think it is a cool project.

I'd just like to state that I'm huge enthusiast of LD PCM tracks and, of course, theatrical DTS soundtracks.

Please, keep the projects coming! : )

_,,,^..^,,,_ said:

Most of these laserdiscs are close to the original Dolby Stereo/Mono/etc but those Cinema DTS are exactly what you heard in the theater. No argument about it.

 ...ehr, can I correct this statement?

The Cinema DTS included in our BD project is not 100% the same of the one heard in theaters, just because it should be converted from 44.1KHz to 48KHz in order to comply to BD standard. Said that, I think we could affirm that it's still 99% closer, and that's more than enough to me.

Obviously if someone decide to make an MKV/MP4 file, and the player reads properly the track, this will be 100% the same.

I want to add a thing: the only 100% laserdisc track that could be used for any DVD or BD(AVCHD) project is the Dolby Digital one, as it's 48KHz even on laserdisc; the PCM should be converted from 44.1 to 48KHz, while the analog could be captured directly at 48KHz but due to its intrinsic nature, it will be not a 1:1 copy as intended in the digital domain; still, a very good quality track!

 All very true, point taken and I agree with you Andrea but you get my point.

When you think about it, most likely those 44.1 kHz tracks (either PCM Dolby Stereo/Surround off LDs or DTS Cinema discs) probably started life as 48 kHz (in the 80s and 90s) studio masters. They were just converted to fit to the LD's or CD's audio standards. When we convert them to 48kHz for the BD standard, we are just returning them something similar to the original master anyway. 

I think we can agree that done right, switching between 44.1 and 48 shouldn't be obvious to the listener.

After along time, finally finished something:

Movie: Batman

Format: Laserdisc 12000 A/B

Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit, bit perfect 

Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 48 khz, 16-bit

Synced To: 2010 Blu-ray Release Region A 

Ripped/Synced by: PDB 

Notes: Contains the original Dolby Stereo soundtrack.

Fantastic! Sending PM.

Movie: Robocop

Format: Laserdisc CC1463L

Input Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 44.1 khz, 16-bit,  bit perfect

Output Soundtrack: PCM 2.0 Dolby Stereo Surround 48 khz, 16-bit

Synced To: 1998 Criterion Collection DVD - Region 1

Ripped/Synced by: zeropc/NeonBible

Notes: Contains the original Dolby Stereo soundtrack.

I hate to be "that guy", but I do wish that people would not resample the audio.

• If the issue is that the guide track is 48 kHz, one can resample that track to 44.1 kHz and discard it after editing.
• If the issue is BD compatibility, people can either resample it themselves or two tracks (one that has been resampled and one that hasn't) can be released.

Moreover, resampling before release stops people from using better methods if/when they become available.

Chewtobacca said:

I hate to be "that guy", but I do wish that people would not resample the audio.

• If the issue is that the guide track is 48 kHz, one can resample that track to 44.1 kHz and discard it after editing.
• If the issue is BD compatibility, people can either resample it themselves or two tracks (one that has been resampled and one that hasn't) can be released.

Moreover, resampling before release stops people from using better methods if/when they become available.

 No worries about being "that guy", we all have a valid opinion. I know what you are saying Chew and I can only speak for myself and not others here. Since I sync all my tracks to their counterpart BDs, it only makes sense to convert said track to 48 for Blu-ray compatibility. I rip most of my BDs to MKVs on a hard drive so 44.1 vs 48 doesn't make a difference to me since a MKV can support both. On the other hand I realize a lot of people can't do that and wish to burn new BDs with the LD (or whatever source's) soundtrack. And most don't have the software to do a good 44.1 to 48 conversion without distortion/clipping. So at the end of the day I convert all my tracks to 48 for the greatest level of compatibility and keep the original 44.1 rips for future formats. I always keep the original rip.